Avid Pro Audio Community

Avid Pro Audio Community

How to Join & Post  •  Community Terms of Use  •  Help Us Help You

Knowledge Base Search  •  Community Search  •  Learn & Support


Avid Home Page

Go Back   Avid Pro Audio Community > Pro Tools Hardware > Pro Tools HDX & HD Native Systems (Mac)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04-06-2014, 11:50 PM
YYR123's Avatar
YYR123 YYR123 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Austin TX
Posts: 13,739
Default Real world expierence a with the C|24

So I have been looking at getting a console / desk. And looking at the different ranges of ones that avid offer

I believe I think the best choice for me will be a C|24 b/c of the front end preamps (while not the best I don't have another 16 to replace them with.

I will be mainly tracking and mixing audio

The icon D command looks like it has a lot more integration with plug-ins and the ProTools software, however without the front and preamps

Anybody have any real world experience with this desk and care to share what they like and don't like about it?

They are on the used market for about 5K and that's a great price point to get in at
__________________
Daniel
HDX - PT12.5.1 - HD I/O 16x8x8
Win10-Pro (v1709)- 6 Core i7-6850k - ASUS X99 Deluxe ii
D-Command Main Unit - 'Ole Blue


http://www.sknoteaudio.com/ plugins rock and are affordable.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04-07-2014, 01:23 AM
Meads Meads is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Germany
Posts: 2,902
Default Re: Real world expierence a with the C|24

In short...

Pros:

- great monitor section
- affordable
- gets the job done

Cons:

- Preamps are pretty shy. Good for drums, not so good for everything else
- plastic fader caps and overall finish - gives it kind of a flimsy feel
- Scribble strips hard/impossible to read from an angle
__________________

iMac Pro
- MacOS 10.14.6
---
- Pro Tools U HDN 2019.6
- Avid HD Omni + HD I/O 8x8x8
- C|24 | S3 | Dock
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-07-2014, 04:44 AM
Bookerv12 Bookerv12 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: No fixed address
Posts: 862
Default Re: Real world expierence a with the C|24

We have had two:

Original and latest model.
We got them from people who really didn't like them.
The original was a horror story with power issues.
The new one was just kind of a pain.
Maybe ours was defective, but the monitor section was not very good.
The layout is a pain in the neck. (Literally)
I have heard the same from others.

I am comparing the C24 to Procontrol, Icon and one of the Command 8's.
I would certainly take the other three over the C24.

If you like staring at lots of knobs and watching relatively cheesie motorized faders flick back and forth, the C24 is fine.
Remember..... this is a big mouse.

There are most certainly better uses for $5k.
__________________
bookerv12
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-07-2014, 05:03 AM
YYR123's Avatar
YYR123 YYR123 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Austin TX
Posts: 13,739
Default Re: Real world expierence a with the C|24

Wow great information guys, that's really what I was looking for.

Looks like I will reevaluate
__________________
Daniel
HDX - PT12.5.1 - HD I/O 16x8x8
Win10-Pro (v1709)- 6 Core i7-6850k - ASUS X99 Deluxe ii
D-Command Main Unit - 'Ole Blue


http://www.sknoteaudio.com/ plugins rock and are affordable.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 04-07-2014, 06:08 AM
Drew Mazurek's Avatar
Drew Mazurek Drew Mazurek is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Maryland, USA
Posts: 11,593
Default Re: Real world expierence a with the C|24

Not to mention the fact that it's not EuCon. That right there would keep me from buying it.

When ICON II development was killed in favor of buying Euphonix in 2010, any non Eucon control surface was killed along with it.
__________________
www.drewmazurek.com

Mixing and Mastering click here to get started.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 04-07-2014, 06:57 AM
Pete Gates Pete Gates is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: UK
Posts: 1,246
Default Re: Real world expierence a with the C|24

If I ever had to downsize from my D-Control (again, had to do it before), I'd definitely go for a D-Command rather than a C24. That's what I did before even though I'd used the C24 more, everything is in the wrong place, or not there at all, on the C24. I'd rather have an 8 fader D-Command than a C24.

Pete
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-07-2014, 09:58 AM
Table Syrup Records's Avatar
Table Syrup Records Table Syrup Records is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Minneapolis
Posts: 1,485
Default Re: Real world expierence a with the C|24

I've been working on a C|24 a lot lately....

It's so so..... automation controls for each channel.... global automation controls on the left.... I like having these handy.

Scribbles are oddly placed behind rotary encoders.... if that matters to you.... I don't generally rely on them, but will reference them periodically...

Pre's suck bad!! Worse than the ones in the old Control 24 (I had one, it was ok, I liked it more than the new one).... I've noticed having to crank them open pretty far, and the last little bit (1/4 or so) is super touchy ......

I don't like the monitor section. It exists, but has it's shortfalls.

The way it is set up, you can hook up 3 sets of monitors. There is a ALT button on the main level control, and a separate control for LS (?)

I would have preferred a traditional setup with A/B/C on/off controls

I don't know... maybe some would find a benefit to having it this way.

It is very versatile up to 5.1
You can also single out any monitor ....

I would say go the route of a D-Control or D-Command - but yeah, you're looking at a lot more $, especially if you want the 24 faders

I use a Tascam US-2400 at home. Does the job for automation writes and mixing.
Having 24 faders at your fingertips is really nice for balancing mixes and mixing separate tracks against each other without the need for banking (not as much).
While the 2400 is not PT specific, it does what I need it to do, and I do a lot of automation (levels, sends, pans, etc)

If you are considering a C|24, I'd spend some time on one first.
__________________
Shorty: Table Syrup Records

Mac Pro 5,1 3.33 GHz Hex, 32GB
EFI Flashed - 5 GT/s Modded 7950, Dual Apple 23"
OSX Sierra
Pro Tools HD 11.2.2
Waves IOS, IOX, STG2412
Extreme Server (x2)
Logic Pro X, DSP Quattro, Final Cut Pro X
Waves Mercury+SSL+AbbeyRoads
Trident S65 with embedded US-2400

Live:
2012 Mac Mini, Dual SSD, i7 2.4, 16GB
Win 10, OSX Sierra
LV1, MRSG
Hardware from above (same gear)
Dual Dell P2418HT Touch Screens
Waves Icon X (x2), M, with Screens
Custom enclosure
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 04-07-2014, 10:08 AM
albee1952's Avatar
albee1952 albee1952 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Norwich, CT
Posts: 37,313
Default Re: Real world expierence a with the C|24

Spent some time on the C24. Pretty much agree with the pluses AND minuses already mentioned. For that money, I think I might buy used Artist Mix/Control, or the small Slate touchscreen and some external preamps FWIW, my friend's C24 has had dead faders since he moved to his new location, near a lake(no, I'm not nuts. A service tech told him this is not uncommon and nobody seems to have a fix) Since then, he's been using the mouse and the Presonus Faderport I left(which I use because I want transport buttons on the left)
__________________
Gigabyte X79/intel i7 3930K, 32GB RAM, HD/Native, 192 IO
https://www.facebook.com/search/top/...0sound%20works


The better I drink, the more I mix

BTW, my name is Dave, but most people call me.........................Dave
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 04-07-2014, 12:54 PM
Bill Denton Bill Denton is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Pittsburgh PA
Posts: 2,644
Default Re: Real world expierence a with the C|24

Quote:
Originally Posted by Table Syrup Records View Post
I've been working on a C|24 a lot lately....

It's so so..... automation controls for each channel.... global automation controls on the left.... I like having these handy.

Scribbles are oddly placed behind rotary encoders.... if that matters to you.... I don't generally rely on them, but will reference them periodically...

Pre's suck bad!! Worse than the ones in the old Control 24 (I had one, it was ok, I liked it more than the new one).... I've noticed having to crank them open pretty far, and the last little bit (1/4 or so) is super touchy ......

I don't like the monitor section. It exists, but has it's shortfalls.

The way it is set up, you can hook up 3 sets of monitors. There is a ALT button on the main level control, and a separate control for LS (?)

I would have preferred a traditional setup with A/B/C on/off controls

I don't know... maybe some would find a benefit to having it this way.

It is very versatile up to 5.1
You can also single out any monitor ....

I would say go the route of a D-Control or D-Command - but yeah, you're looking at a lot more $, especially if you want the 24 faders

I use a Tascam US-2400 at home. Does the job for automation writes and mixing.
Having 24 faders at your fingertips is really nice for balancing mixes and mixing separate tracks against each other without the need for banking (not as much).
While the 2400 is not PT specific, it does what I need it to do, and I do a lot of automation (levels, sends, pans, etc)

If you are considering a C|24, I'd spend some time on one first.
The way it is set up, you can hook up 3 sets of monitors. There is a ALT button on the main level control, and a separate control for LS (?)

The LS is not a "monitor" per se, it is used to feed the studio loudspeakers that were located in a lot of "live" rooms...that way the "talent" could hear a playback of a "take" without having to go into the control room...
__________________
X
Note that all opinions, observations, whatever, in this post are mine, unless I'm being mean or am wrong, in which case it's somebody else's fault. I do not work for Avid (their loss)...my only relationship with Avid is that of a customer (when I'm not too poor to buy stuff, like now)...and that hot administrative assistant...that's more of a "thing" than a "relationship" (that should keep them guessing for a while...)

Just rockin'...what more is there?

Bill in Pittsburgh
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 04-07-2014, 01:08 PM
Table Syrup Records's Avatar
Table Syrup Records Table Syrup Records is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Minneapolis
Posts: 1,485
Default Re: Real world expierence a with the C|24

Yeah, that's how I'm using it too, but there is nothing to limit one from using it for monitors in the control room
__________________
Shorty: Table Syrup Records

Mac Pro 5,1 3.33 GHz Hex, 32GB
EFI Flashed - 5 GT/s Modded 7950, Dual Apple 23"
OSX Sierra
Pro Tools HD 11.2.2
Waves IOS, IOX, STG2412
Extreme Server (x2)
Logic Pro X, DSP Quattro, Final Cut Pro X
Waves Mercury+SSL+AbbeyRoads
Trident S65 with embedded US-2400

Live:
2012 Mac Mini, Dual SSD, i7 2.4, 16GB
Win 10, OSX Sierra
LV1, MRSG
Hardware from above (same gear)
Dual Dell P2418HT Touch Screens
Waves Icon X (x2), M, with Screens
Custom enclosure
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Real World TDM sucker002 Pro Tools TDM Systems (Mac) 5 05-22-2007 02:11 AM
Real World Results sikblades 003, Mbox 2, Digi 002, original Mbox, Digi 001 (Win) 0 04-11-2005 07:15 AM
OT, the real world sbs 003, Mbox 2, Digi 002, original Mbox, Digi 001 (Win) 20 11-22-2004 07:01 PM
real world mezzo sweetness Pro Tools TDM Systems (Mac) 8 06-24-2003 08:49 AM
Real World xqtion 003, Mbox 2, Digi 002, original Mbox, Digi 001 (Mac) 3 09-23-2002 08:14 AM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:25 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited. Forum Hosted By: URLJet.com