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Old 08-14-2009, 04:43 PM
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Nup. Master faders are pre-master inserts. They are intended precisely to solve the problem of summing clipping.
I must have missunderstood your first comment on how you can use a master fader. I only ever trim them if i'm summing and I want to avoid clipping the output going to the analog mixer.

Going back to the topic of this thread I think I'm more along the lines of what Chris said on the first page when it comes to mixing ITB. (his screen caps look like what I do in terms of levels and routing)
I start the mix by setting the loudest part (likely drums) to peak at anywhere from -18 to -10 and I sum everything to an AUX not a master fader. by doing so I can now mix with my ears only and not even worry about headroom. The end result mix typically has peaks at no more than -4 (often lower). I always record the mix to a track. Mastering gets a copy of the mix.L + mix.R files from the audio files folder. If I do the mastering myself its never in the same session.

When I just started mixing/recording I was trying to go as hot as I can without clipping, but I quickly dropped it. When I mix/record lower it sounds cleaner and more dynamic to me.
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Old 08-14-2009, 04:47 PM
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You can apply a master fader to that aux bus and avoid the clipping that way. At least you can in LE... (Although LE doesn't clip anyway internally)

"Always keep levels low" isn't much smarter than "Always print as hot as possible." It's often a little smarter, but it will never be as smart as "Always keep levels where they sound their best."
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Old 08-14-2009, 05:13 PM
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Listen more than look.
Massy has a plug-in for that
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Old 08-14-2009, 05:14 PM
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I love that plugin!
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All I can say though, is that I've mixed a lot of records and have never witnessed a mix that had all the faders at 0. Not once.
So are you saying your mixes usually have all the faders down in the -20dB to -40dB range (on the actual fader, not the meter) most of the time? Or are they in the +2dB to -5dB range most of the time?
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Old 08-14-2009, 06:44 PM
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Never adjust the master fader! always leave it at -0dbfs

Use a mix bus (an aux channel) and route all your tracks to the mix bus then route the mix bus to the master.

hi,

what is your rationale for that? just interested in why you are doing that.
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Old 08-14-2009, 06:49 PM
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Maybe 0.05% of Pro Tools users have even a vague concept of what a Master Fader in fact is.

For one thing, they don't get "routed to"...they are always present for all busses and outputs, you can just show them or hide them.
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Old 08-14-2009, 08:02 PM
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So are you saying your mixes usually have all the faders down in the -20dB to -40dB range (on the actual fader, not the meter) most of the time? Or are they in the +2dB to -5dB range most of the time?
I hardly ever go past 0. Some faders are as low as -12, like drum rooms and OHDs but not many others. Totally depends on the mix and what needs to be louder or softer. And some, as few as possible, move with automation.
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And some, as few as possible, move with automation.
Then you haven't lived, my friend. Automation is what makes records EXCITING. Check out this piano lick here....a guitar lick there....the gravelly roughness of the voice as it tails off...etc etc
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Maybe 0.05% of Pro Tools users have even a vague concept of what a Master Fader in fact is.
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And 99% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

What a crock of cr@p.
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