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Old 11-19-2001, 02:24 PM
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Default Master inserts are post-fader? Was: L1+ on Master = clipping

I use the L1+ on the master to control overs. The output ceiling is set to -0.5dBFS. The 888 1&2 outs don't indicate clipping, yet my master fader does. Why is that?

I have also noticed in performing tests, when the master fader is pulled down considerably (-12dBFS), the L1+ doesn't seem to be fast enough to attenuate all overs...some transients are allowed to pass. Is this normal operation for this plug-in?
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Old 11-19-2001, 02:42 PM
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Default Re: Master inserts are post-fader? Was: L1+ on Master = clipping

I have almost the same problem. Is not the L1 a hard limiter? Say I have it setup on the stereo bus, with a ceiling of .5 or 1 & a very moderate threshold. I still get overs. Regardless of where the release time is set. Any ideas?
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Old 11-19-2001, 02:53 PM
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Default Re: Master inserts are post-fader? Was: L1+ on Master = clipping

On the digi001 system I recently upgraded from, the L1+ worked like it was suppose to work. It's not the case in the TDM mixer.
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Old 11-19-2001, 03:14 PM
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Default Re: Master inserts are post-fader? Was: L1+ on Master = clipping

I hope this message is not irrelevant to your situation, but did you know that master track plugins slots are *post* fader ? In case you are not familiar with this terminology it means that these plugins are inserted *between* the Master fader and the output pair

this means that if you are clipping on the output bus itself you should either lower all faders connected to that output or simply take the master fader down a few db's. L1 won't prevent this clipping from going on unless you lower the gain before.

By the way I recommend reading the L2 litterature that gives excellent general information about level problems that can sometimes arise
http://www.waves.com/download/L2.pdf

As for the difference between LE and TDM, it may have something to do with the technologies involved : They look and feel similar but what is actually going on behind the scenes is *very* different. Its a question of dsp chips against power PC processors.
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Old 11-19-2001, 08:04 PM
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Default Re: Master inserts are post-fader? Was: L1+ on Master = clipping

Having the plug-ins post-fader just doesn't make sense to me. Example: If I stick a compressor on the Master out, perform a fade, then that fade is being acted upon by the compressor. To me, it makes more sense to have the output of the compressor being faded i.e. pre-fader master bus insert. The same would apply with the use of a limiter on the master output.

Does this mean I have to route all channels to a stereo aux input, insert a limiter (or whatever) on that aux and then send it's output to the master fader?

Or, is there a pre- post-fader preference option someplace? [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 11-19-2001, 08:09 PM
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s2n

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