questions about hip hop

[surchur]

I,ve been doing alot of hip hop work. now I'm building hip hop songs from scratch. I'm wondering about construction of the song. What is the average amount of measures for a verse before a break/chorus I'm thinking in terms of being radio friendly. Also while I am on the subject of song construction what is the average radio friendly overall time

[pk_hat]

Not trying to be 'master of the obvious' here, surchur, but have you thought of just listening to a few hip-hop tracks you like which are catchy and radio friendly, and keeping track of what's going on with the arrangement as the song plays along? Unless I really misunderstood your question, just a wild random thought...

[surchur]

your right I just need to study the format a little more. I was wondering if it was as rigid as song format. some of the old school stuff goes on forever 2pac stuff and the newer more pop friendly seems more of a format. My friends stuff seems really long 11 measures to the first break so I was thinking of telling him to shorten it but I don't know.

[MR. BLISS]

standard song --radio wise
4 or 8 bar ---intro
16 bar---verse
8 bar ---chorus/hook whatever you wanna call it
16 bar ---verse
8 bar ---chorus
8/16 bar---verse go out with chorus

depending on the groove,
slow - MC should ryhm fast
fast --MC should ryhm modestly

any Neptune track is a great start
((not that I like them)) but for what your looking for, they are a start

straight long rapping MC's
24/32 bar verse
8-bar chorus
24/32 bar verse
8-chorus ---fade out, if its too long, it's boring

hope this helps

[(BANGAH)]

verses an average of at least 16bars / hooks 8 bars always/ a bridge if you like those which are 8 bars and place them any where after the first hook usually right after a hook thats about it build your song from there

[surchur]

thanks nice and concise

[(BANGAH)]

Oh yea and the last hook should be the most impacting one in the song you may wanna play it twice 2x8/16bars. On that hook there should be more backround vocals and stuff like that