Unable to Create an Aux Bus Send to Reverb

[Darryl Ramm]

Unfortunately your screenshots are down sampled by DUC to the point of begin nearly useless. Can you do what Kev and I are doing and post the images on a photo or file sharing web site and paste those links here.

It kinda looks like you have matching I/O at least from the intent in the setup pages but I cannot see for sure, have no idea what your patch bay is doing and am unclear what your drawn arrow is pointing to *exactly*.

If you do what I suggested as a test and replace the H/W insert with a software plugin does it then work? If hardware inserts are not working then debug that in a simple test session with all defaulted I/O. Start at one end and follow the signal. e.g. set up an mono insert on a pair of I/O bung a signal gen on the track and see if you can get a sine wave signal out of the output port of the insert pair. Look at the Console meters they should be able tell you or use a headphone amp, multi-meter, monitors via a volume control etc. If you don't get a signal out then check other ports it may be coming out on. If the patch panels are not making sense then you may need to do this at the back of the interface not at a patch panel. Then if a signal is on the output port connect that to the matching input port... do you now get a signal though that insert? Does the Console meter on the input port move? Do you need to offset the ports to make up for non-alignment? The Apollo Console meters can be a great troubleshooting tool here, balanced by the Console itself adds lots of complexity.

[K Roche]

So I opened your screen shots up on my 27" 5k iMac and while still very very hard to read I think I was able to count the cannel numbers on both your PT I/O Input and Output pages

So if I got the channel counts correct ? it looks like you have the RMX on channels 37-38 and on both the Input and Output tabs yes ?

If so,,, that may be the issue. Because it looks as if your Apollo interface/s uses line Outputs 1-2 for you monitoring (unlike Avid interfaces which is why the PT instructions for Hardware Inserts says the same in and out numbers )

IF that is the case then (I think what you may have to do) to set up the RMX as a Hardware insert is either Increase the Output numbers by 2 numbers or decrease the Input number by two
So either Inputs 37-38 and Outputs 39-40 Or since it looks like 39-40 may be the change over numbers between your interface's Perhaps Inputs 35-36 and Outputs 37-38 ?

Now I do not know anything about a patch bay (or Apollo for that matter so take my post with grain of salt) BUT if the patch bay works like the physical inputs and outputs on my interface They want to be the same physical numbers in and out
Only the virtual I/O in PT will have the offset numbers

At least that is how it works (kinda in reverse of your situation ) for my Avid Carbon interface when running Studio One as the DAW .. Because Studio one uses the line outs 1-2 to feed my monitor outs . So In the S1 virtual I/O I have to increase the Output numbers by two numbers (even though the physical connections to and from the HW units remain the same physical channel numbers) in my case 5-6 to and from my Comp and 7-8 to and from my Reverb

So this is what my Studio One I/O looks like
The Inputs tab shows 5-6 for my Comp and 7-8 for my Reverb


BUT
I have to increase the the Outputs numbers by 2 so 7-8 for my Comp and 9-10 f or my Reverb

[Mixmaster Rick]

Sorry to keep you guys waiting...
Can you help me locate what images I uploaded to start with then I can recreate them and send you both a link?

Appreciate the help!

[Mixmaster Rick]

Hi Guys,

I just uploaded what I believe are the original images to Dropbox. Please try this link and let me know if it helps.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/f9mfj...=n7nijbtv&dl=0

[K Roche]

Originally Posted by Mixmaster Rick

Hi Guys,

I just uploaded what I believe are the original images to Dropbox. Please try this link and let me know if it helps.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/f9mfj...=n7nijbtv&dl=0

Yes I can read these screen shots very clearly now

So OK

Again I do not use UAD for an interface or a pach-bay



First, your I/O shows a total of 38 analog channels across the top header line ( horizontal channel numbers section) of your I/O matrix graph,,,,, is that correct ?

Second , it appears to me that since both the Inputs and Outputs are already off set by two numbers (i.e. both A Line 1-2 on your output tab, and A Line 1-2 input tab , in the Names vertical column , actually line up with channels 3-4 in both So that looks to my like you cna use the same Input and Output channel numbers BUT here in lies the rub as they say

In a previous post you referred to the RMX as being on channels 35-36 inserts
BUT in your I/O screen shots it looks to me like it is actually sitting channels 37-38 in both the input tab and output tab ?? I do not know if that has to do with you patch bay------- BUT ::

In any case here is what I would do If you wish to be able to have a send fader controlling the amount send level goin to the RMX Which is have the RMX be a Hardware Insert, accessed form the Inserts section of the track not via the Sends section of the track..

Again do not route to the RMX from the SENDS section. (in this case looks like you are routing from the Sends section of your piano track)

Instead :: try this :: so I am going to use the naming convention I would use so I can instantly see and know exactly what things are routed where.

I am going to use RMX Verb (you can use what ever you wish) but this is what I would do

#1 create a stereo Aux Input track and name that track RMX Verb

#2 create a Bus and name it RMX or HW Verb etc.

#3 on your Input tab do like you have done and name the stereo input track RMX Verb (which is BTW is on channels 37-38) And same on your Output tab

#4 Then on your I/O Inserts tab, I would go down to 37-38 and name that insert RMX Verb etc.

#5 Go to the new Aux Input track ( named RMX Verb) and select an Insert slot and when you click it,,

#6 go down to the bottom of the dropdown window and click I/O select the RMX Verb

#7 Then on the tracks input section,,, select the Bus named RMX Verb.

#8 set the track fader to Unity gain (0 db)

#9 on the physical RMX unit select 100% wet


#10 Ok now go to your Piano track and in its SENDS section click a slot to open

#11 the Inserts drop down window click "bus" (NOT "output" ) and then scroll down to select bus RMX Verb.

#12 a send fader will open and it will be defaulted to infinity -0 gain >>>then just raise the fader to dial in your desired amount of reverb

If you like I can do a quick screen recording of this process from scratch no problem. Its not as complex as the list of steps makes it look and then of course once done it will of course be save to your I/O and if you make the Aux track a track template or include it in a session template you will not have to set it up agin

[albee1952]

Originally Posted by K Roche

Obviously everybody has their own personal preference for work flow

BUT
I'm not clear on what you are saying ? When you set up hardware effects as (hardware inserts) you still do in fact have to "send out via physical outputs to the hardware and return the hardware back thru physical inputs " And it makes no difference weather it's a Reverb Delay EQ or Comp etc . We are after all talking outboard Fx units, which have to have physical connections ?????????????
Myself :
I can't think of any objective reason to not set up time domain effects as hardware inserts, the physical connections and routing are same wether as hardware inserts (in the inserts section of the track) or routed in the PT tracks virtual out's and in's section..
The main difference set as a hardware insert , is that its a simpler, less complex and a more flexible way to use hardware effects inside PT (routing configuration wise)

Less complex because like just a plugin insert, you are simply instantiating it on the track itself or on a parallel fx AUX track and do not have to mess with changing track outputs and then involve another track to return the effected signal.

My suggestion allows you to use any output(s) and any input(s) because you are routing:send>output>hardware input>hardware output>interface input> new track(mono, stereo, whatever is needed) as you would with an all analog setup(console outputs to hardware, Hardware outputs to console inputs). I understand I may be over-thinking, but not everyone here has used hardware consoles and outboard effects in that old-school fashion. Just trying to offer possible solutions

[smurfyou]

Originally Posted by albee1952

My suggestion allows you to use any output(s) and any input(s) because you are routing:send>output>hardware input>hardware output>interface input> new track(mono, stereo, whatever is needed) as you would with an all analog setup(console outputs to hardware, Hardware outputs to console inputs). I understand I may be over-thinking, but not everyone here has used hardware consoles and outboard effects in that old-school fashion. Just trying to offer possible solutions

This makes sense to me especially since it's a mono-in stereo-out unit. It's simple and it works. Like a console would.

You could also do it with a bus if you wish. Create a mono "RMX Send" bus or whatever you want it called. Create a mono Aux track and set its input to that bus. Set the output to your physical output that you use. You would still need a Stereo Aux track for the return. Advantage here would be if you wanted any processing on the send before it goes to the reverb. And you get a meter to check the signal going out or you could hide it if you don't need that.

[JoeBelmaati]

If the issue is related to misalignment of the channels, you can resolve the alignment in UAD Console input/output setup by inserting two input dummy channels. By default, in UAD vis-a-vis Pro Tools, the alignment is offset by two.

This is from the UAD help site:

Originally Posted by UAD

In order to use the Hardware Inserts feature in Pro Tools, you will first need to change the default I/O setup on the IO Matrix page of Console Settings (Console > Settings > IO Matrix).
The Pro Tools Hardware Inserts feature requires that you connect your external gear on the same input and output channels of your Apollo interface, i.e., Line Inputs 1-2 and Line Outputs 1-2. In the default Apollo I/O setup, the first two input channels are Mic/Line/Hi-Z 1 & Mic/Line/Hi-Z 2, however the first two output channels are Monitor L and Monitor R. In order for the channels numbers to correspond, we must insert “null” values for the first 2 inputs so that Mic/Line/Hi-Z 1 lines up with Line Output 1, Mic/Line/Hi-Z 2 lines up with Line Output 2, and so on.
You can select one of the I/O presets already available that matches your configuration which will align your line inputs and outputs automatically. For example, if you’re using a single Apollo x8, select the Single-Apollo x8 PT preset from the I/O Presets menu. Once you have selected the appropriate I/O preset for your system, please choose LOAD, and proceed to resetting the Pro Tools I/O as described below.

Link to help article

Image to illustrate the alignment offset.



Hope that helps!

[K Roche]

Originally Posted by albee1952

My suggestion allows you to use any output(s) and any input(s) because you are routing:send>output>hardware input>hardware output>interface input> new track(mono, stereo, whatever is needed) as you would with an all analog setup(console outputs to hardware, Hardware outputs to console inputs). I understand I may be over-thinking, but not everyone here has used hardware consoles and outboard effects in that old-school fashion. Just trying to offer possible solutions

Don't misunderstand I realize that the Send Output method allows using different channel numbers for In and out and Yes it is a viable method



What I was pointing out was the way you worded your original suggestion, it was not clear that HW Insert method also uses physical in out connections so that the only difference is being able to use different channel numbers in Send Output method. Which you have now cleared up.
And then I was just curious (not challenging) as to why (what your thinking was ) that you have a personal preference for setting up time domain FX as Send Output as opposed to HW inserts ? No biggy just wondering, as I have not tried that and use my HW Reverb as an Insert .........

And maybe I am mistaken, but I believe the OP said he was able to use the Send output method BUT was interested in using the new reverb as Hardware insert instead ??