ProTools 10 HD natively with AccelCore Card?

[dcmbeats]

Hi Guys,
switching back from Nuendo to ProTools, I'm a little confused about all the "new" product names 10, 10HD, HDX, 10 native etc.

My question is: Is it possible to get a ProTools 10 HD working natively with an "old" AccelCore PCIe Card and a Avid HD I/O Interface?

MacPro 4.1
2xQuad-Core Xeon 2,66GHz
26GB Ram
Mac OSX 10.6.8

PT 10 HD 10.3.2
1x Accel Core Card
1x AVID HD/IO

Thanks in advance!

[Jack Ruston UK]

It looks a bit like this:

Pro Tools (v10): Runs natively with your choice of interface. Basic version. RTAS or AAX Native plug ins

Pro Tools HD Native: Runs the processing and mixer natively on the host, but has an HD Native card required to handle the IO. Connects to Avid interfaces (or any third party that are compatible with the digi connection) and has full HD functionality. RTAS or AAX Native plug ins only.

Pro Tools TDM (HD and HD Accel cards): Runs TDM plug ins and the mixer on the card. RTAS plug ins can also be used. Connects to Avid interfaces (or any third party that are compatible with the digi connection)

Pro Tools HDX: Runs TDM or AAX plug ins and the mixer on the card. RTAS or AAX native can also be used. Connects to Avid interfaces (or any third party that are compatible with the digi connection)

If you connect your HD Accel core card you will be running a TDM mixer. You can use RTAS plug ins for native processing. But as with all versions of the TDM mixer (TDM and HDX) there are certain inefficiencies when you switch to and from the mixer and the host. There is more latency than you would have running an RTAS plug in on a native mixer, and thus more processing required on the card to process the delays incurred.

J

[Drew Mazurek]

Originally Posted by dcmbeats

Hi Guys,
switching back from Nuendo to ProTools, I'm a little confused about all the "new" product names 10, 10HD, HDX, 10 native etc.

My question is: Is it possible to get a ProTools 10 HD working natively with an "old" AccelCore PCIe Card and a Avid HD I/O Interface?

Jack covered the details well above but the short answer is no. Only 3rd party software can access the interface as a core audio device with 8 channels of I/O.

[musicman691]

Originally Posted by Jack Ruston UK

It looks a bit like this:

Pro Tools HDX: Runs TDM or AAX plug ins and the mixer on the card. RTAS or AAX native can also be used. Connects to Avid interfaces (or any third party that are compatible with the digi connection)

J

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought an HDX system only ran AAX and RTAS?

[Drew Mazurek]

Originally Posted by musicman691

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought an HDX system only ran AAX and RTAS?

I assumed he meant AAX-DSP.

[dcmbeats]

thanks a lot.

So, to get more than 96 tracks I have two possibilities:

1. get a "native" card and run PTHD10 natively or

2. get a second accel card and run PT as a TDM-System

[rantanplan]

I know that this is a very old thread. But I think that finding my answer here could still help someone:

You can use your old HD audio converter (96, 192) connected to a HD TDM card (Core, Accel...) with a non-TDM engine.

The magic word is: Jack Audio. Jack Audio serves as a bridge between CoreAudio and Pro Tools.
Normally, running Pro Tools with a CoreAudio engine does not allow you to select the aggregated device "Digidesgn HW (TDM)".
With JackAudio running, you can choose in Pro Tools an engine for "JackRouter" aggregated device, which routes the audio I/O from Pro Tools to Digidesgn HW. Like that Pro Tools is tricked to use its legacy TDM hardware for I/O.

However, I could test it successfully only with 8 outputs routed to a 96 I/O.
When I try to also enable inputs from the 96, Jack Audio server fails to start. But I think this is only a question of configuration.

Hope that helps.

[Barry Johns]

Originally Posted by dcmbeats

Hi Guys,
switching back from Nuendo to ProTools, I'm a little confused about all the "new" product names 10, 10HD, HDX, 10 native etc.

My question is: Is it possible to get a ProTools 10 HD working natively with an "old" AccelCore PCIe Card and a Avid HD I/O Interface?

MacPro 4.1
2xQuad-Core Xeon 2,66GHz
26GB Ram
Mac OSX 10.6.8

PT 10 HD 10.3.2
1x Accel Core Card
1x AVID HD/IO

Thanks in advance!

The first thing you need to do is upgrade that computer you have to a 12 core! If you look at my signature line, you will see I did the exact same thing.

It's a piece a cake, and after the upgrade, it'll match the specs of the current Mac Pro that sells for six grand. PM me if you would like some help with this.

[JFreak]

Originally Posted by dcmbeats

thanks a lot.

So, to get more than 96 tracks I have two possibilities:

1. get a "native" card and run PTHD10 natively or

2. get a second accel card and run PT as a TDM-System

HD Native only has two DigiLink ports, which means 64 i/o max. PT with 3rd party interface means 32 i/o max. To get 96 tracks you need either TDM (old world) or HDX (new world) system.

[rantanplan]

Originally Posted by rantanplan

I know that this is a very old thread. But I think that finding my answer here could still help someone:

You can use your old HD audio converter (96, 192) connected to a HD TDM card (Core, Accel...) with a non-TDM engine.

The magic word is: Jack Audio. Jack Audio serves as a bridge between CoreAudio and Pro Tools.
Normally, running Pro Tools with a CoreAudio engine does not allow you to select the aggregated device "Digidesgn HW (TDM)".
With JackAudio running, you can choose in Pro Tools an engine for "JackRouter" aggregated device, which routes the audio I/O from Pro Tools to Digidesgn HW. Like that Pro Tools is tricked to use its legacy TDM hardware for I/O.

However, I could test it successfully only with 8 outputs routed to a 96 I/O.
When I try to also enable inputs from the 96, Jack Audio server fails to start. But I think this is only a question of configuration.

Hope that helps.

I wanted to offer a solution for the initial question: Is it possible to get a ProTools 10 HD working natively with an "old" AccelCore PCIe Card and a Avid HD I/O Interface?