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Old 12-01-2011, 01:53 PM
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Default pro tools on 88 key graded hammer action

hello i was wondering ok i want to get a 88 key graded hammer which is the ones that feel like a real piano but i was wondering how would the keyboard feel when using virtual instruments with protools, i dont know but i think it would be a bit uncomfortable, does anyone use a real feel piano with virtual instruments, sometimes i think the cheaper non graded keys would be better for playing synths and strings with the piano. any suggestions
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Old 12-01-2011, 03:53 PM
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Default Re: pro tools on 88 key graded hammer action

Roland V-Piano... Gotta play it to appreciate it.

Second would be The Yamaha S-90es
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Old 12-01-2011, 05:32 PM
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I used to use an 88 key Yamaha piano for input. I got rid of it because I always had to move it around. On some things like organs it felt strange.

It tended to have a slower release than the synth keyboards and that bothered me except when playing the piano.

I would go to a music store with headphones and play one of the new weighted action keyboards with many patches to see how it feels.

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Old 12-01-2011, 05:44 PM
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My 2 cents only(and I am not much of a keyboard player). My Motif es8 works well for lots of stuff, but for organ(DB-33) an unweighted keyboard is way more better, if you'll pardon the poor vernacular
(that's not a vernacular.....that's a derby.....nyuk nyuk)
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Old 12-01-2011, 08:12 PM
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Default Re: pro tools on 88 key graded hammer action

A lot of this is personal preference. I know some people like using the weighted keys for everything.

Others, like myself, like using if for piano/electric piano, but synth-type keys for everything else.
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Old 12-02-2011, 09:10 AM
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i was wondering how would the keyboard feel when using virtual instruments with protools,
Aside from keeping your buffer settings as low as possible to minimize latency, how the weighted keyboard "feels" when controlling a VI really depends on the patch on the VI itself rather than PTs. Many VI's have different settings for adjusting the response of the sounds triggered by the controller, (soft, medium, hard). Remember, if you purchase a stage piano or rompler with weighted keys, these are usually balanced to work well with the internal sounds (rather the other way around). It depends on how you configure the VI to respond to the input from the controller itself.

Aftertouch is a great feature that can really inspire the talent to take advantage of what the patch has to offer.

Some MIDI Controllers (with weighted keys) offer an action tuning feature to accomodate the particularities (shortcomings)of a player, (Check out the NUMA series from Studiologic), however, the settings for one player will not suit another if this controller is to be used by multiple musos.

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i dont know but i think it would be a bit uncomfortable, does anyone use a real feel piano with virtual instruments, sometimes i think the cheaper non graded keys would be better for playing synths and strings with the piano. any suggestions
This is the real question. Are you a piano player? Are your clients pianists? Do you also trigger drum samples from this board? A weighted keybed for triggering drum samples is a must, you WILL break a synth action key if struck to hard.

Any ORGAN player worth his salt will prefer a waterfall keybed for laying down tracks.

Any PIANIST worth his salt will greatly appreciate a well balanced weighted keybed, especially if you configure the VI correctly to his liking.

Any KEYBOARDIST will appreciate fast responding synth action keys with aftertouch.

There is really no do all solution for this, I recommend the following:

For organ playing, Nords are top in my book. Try to get a used Nord Electro 2 and your talent will be pleased, both with the sounds and the keybed. Definetely have a swell pedal to go along with it. (Roland EV5). This will work great for controlling VI organs, especially since true tonewheel organs are not velocity sensitive (hence the swell pedal).

For PIANO playing, my pick for this one is a Roland RD-300sx or nx. The sx will be cheaper, your not in the market for sound, but for control, this keybed is acceptable for playing piano effectively. My top choice however would the RH3 system keybed from Korg. Astounding feel, and it is featured on the Korg SV-1, in both 73 and 88 key version. Sweetwater is currently offering a $500.00 rebate for these boards, amazing but true, I am picking one up before the 15th of january. Motifs seem to "thunk" a bit to much for my taste but YMMV.

For synth control, Novation and Studio Logic are hard to beat in this department, (I believe that studiologic provides the keybeds for novation?)nice rebound, sufficient resistance, and great feeling when the key bottoms out. Fantastic for synth playing.


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Old 12-02-2011, 09:12 AM
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Worth mentioning. As a pianist myself, If I had to choose ONE controller for everything, it would definetely be a weigted controller. Yes, even for organ playing, the glisses aint a problem once you got the callouses on your fingers and knuckles........
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Worth mentioning. As a pianist myself, If I had to choose ONE controller for everything, it would definetely be a weigted controller. Yes, even for organ playing, the glisses aint a problem once you got the callouses on your fingers and knuckles........
Absolutely(one major reason I bought the es8). For organ parts, my old $50 Ensoniq Mirage actually feels better than most sub-$500 controllers(and I use a VOCE drawbar controller for the rest the DB-33 control)
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Old 12-03-2011, 12:26 AM
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If I remember correctly, Ensoniqs never skimped on synth keybeds, actually very similar to todays novations......
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Old 12-03-2011, 06:43 AM
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Ask anyone who plays (like I do, albeit kinda poorly), a good weighted controller is a must for anything requiring feel; like Ivory, for instance. A few years back, I tried all the weighted keyboard, and controllers I could lay my hands on, and choose the Kawai MP8. I have a Steinway B that's regulated beautifully, and when I switch to the MP8, the change in action isn't jarring.
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