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Old 09-04-2022, 01:11 PM
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It’s not off topic. The reason you’re having issues is because you have a pcie 3 enclosure which is using Rosetta 2 to run. Don’t expect it to work on future updates. If you want your pcie 3 cards to work, invest in a high end intel like the Mac Pro.
I don’t normally give free consulting. I charge fees for my services. Take your rubbish somewhere else.

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You are a technically inept idiot spamming your crap all over DUC again, like you do before. People come here to help get problems solved and learn and all you do is ruin it for other people. **** off. Why you have not been kicked off DUC is beyond me.
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Old 09-04-2022, 01:34 PM
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You guys implicating the f word is reason for you both to be banned. I’m sorry, read the tos


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Old 09-05-2022, 04:37 PM
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Default Re: First experience with NVMe M.2 in enclosure - bad.

Trying to get this thread back on track:

I know that the internal SSD in current Macs are wickedly fast. How does a single NVME Thunderbolt enclosure (no switch) with a NVME SSD (like a Samsung 980 PRO PCIe® 4.0 NVMe™ SSD 2TB) compare?

EDIT: Never mind. Matrrixx answered this in this thread https://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=421527
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Trying to get this thread back on track:

I know that the internal SSD in current Macs are wickedly fast. How does a single NVME Thunderbolt enclosure (no switch) with a NVME SSD (like a Samsung 980 PRO PCIe® 4.0 NVMe™ SSD 2TB) compare?
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Old 02-04-2024, 02:47 PM
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It's unfortunate no vendors has really targeted a system at mac Studios yet, they could do a lot better modular packaging than any system has today, e.g.. supporting multiple (locking!) Thunderbolt 3/4 links into a box with easy pluggable M.2 card access maybe with or without optional internal PCIe switches and with a great cooling fan. I've plead my case to folks like Sonnet, while complaining about their Echo Dual NVMe Thunderbolt dock lacking a switch. I have no idea if they are doing anything.
I'm up and running with Mac Studio M2 Max and RME I/O and still sorting through storage options. While the Sandisk Blade Station looked promising for multi-bay pluggable storage, heat and noise reports are a show stopper for me. Plus the proprietary caddy might become a problem if the format is not widely accepted.

Like you I've made a case to Sonnet for something like you've described. Their Pro Media Card Reader series looks brilliant - TB3/4, dual-slot, passive, rugged thermally designed enclosure, chainable. A new version that's dual-U2, or dual-NVMe in user-serviceable blades, would be fantastic. I've asked Sonnet to consider this and from their response believe it's not likely to happen.

So ignoring cost, an Echo Express III SE configuration looks promising. It's not as versatile as a full-length Echo III but the smaller half-length chassis fits well in my workspace. Beyond having a PCIe switch, I also like the internal energy saver mode for power up/down. Question, is your Sonnet chassis full or half length?

I am also watching Trebleet who offer a switched 4x4-lane passive NVMe chassis. The current version heats up as expected but apparently they are testing an update with improved thermals.

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Old 02-04-2024, 03:16 PM
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Thanks for also pushing on Sonnet.

I remain happy with the Echo Express III SE, for what they are. I find the fan noise unobtrusive and have two sitting behind my monitor on my desk. You can hear the fan as they power up and that is all. Hopefully they are all this good, but I know some folks are more sensitive than me to fan noise, but the Noctura fans in these do seem quiet.

With such great PCIe 4 M.2 SSDs out there it's frustrating to be stuck on Thunderbolt 3 and Thunderbolt 3 expansion chassis.

Still sad there are not better M.2 storage options out there.

Unfortunately SanDisk are pretty much dead to me as a vendor given their ongoing SSD corruption mishandling.
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Old 02-05-2024, 12:41 AM
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I’ve watched so many production videos showing external drives, hubs, cables and warts splayed out on the desk. That’s a bit of a mood crusher for me in a creative environment.

I’m surprised that Apple hasn’t moved into this storage market. My vision of a modular Mac is a head (Mini or Studio form factor) with one short PCIe 16x ribbon plus AC power jumper to a second matching box containing various expansion options - essentially a Mac Pro in two pieces. OWC sort of goes there with its ThunderBay Flex*8, but not as elegantly as what Apple could do. Also, in 2024 why is there not an Apple 10GBe or faster router/NAS that natively supports HFS+ Journaled and APFS-formatted drives?

But I digress. If I go with Echo Express III SE:

Bay 1 = my existing 1TB SATA sample drive (for now)
Bay 2 = 4TB+4TB NVMe on a Sonnet 4x2 card
Bay 3 = future expansion

Cost adds up but I think this could work well and offer some long-term flexibility.

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Old 02-05-2024, 12:55 PM
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Why spend money on that expensive Sonnet SSD adapter card? Just put the M.2 drives on cheap dumb single drive adapter cards that cost ~ $15 each. Use the third slot now, and eventually replace the SATA drive as well with an M.2 drive. Edit: These are what I use in those same chassis: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01I5VABFY ha now $12 each. Get M.2 cards with heatsinks or add one to your drives and you should not ever run into heat issues.
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Why spend money on that expensive Sonnet SSD adapter card? Just put the M.2 drives on cheap dumb single drive adapter cards that cost ~ $15 each. Use the third slot now, and eventually replace the SATA drive as well with an M.2 drive. Edit: These are what I use in those same chassis: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01I5VABFY ha now $12 each.
Well that makes sense, thank you for the link.
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And don't forget to check the drive bloody firmware : https://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=425632
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