Random X on midi note which does not play?

[duderonomi]

Hello,
I am building drum tracks with midi pack files.
I notice a High Hat hit, midi note, has an X on it. When playing the track it does not play, as if it is muted. However it is not muted. I can click on the note with the grabber tool and it plays. But when rolling the track it does not. I have searched the reference guide as well as the net with no luck.
Any ideas?
Thank you.

Pro Tools 9.05. Mac.

[YYR123]

Just wanted to chime in on this to b/c I was tracking some drums last night also and I saw the same stuff mainly on HH's

[duderonomi]

To follow up. I am using Toontrack EZ-Player Pro to audition Midi files. I went back to the midi file in question and auditioned it in EZ-Player. The first time it played the last eighth note High Hat hit played. The second time it did not. I switched to a different midi file, played it and back to the file in question. It played the last HH note the first time through and not the second.

I also tried switching to a different midi file and back to the file in question. This time I dragged the file into the instrument track without playing it, thinking that it would copy the last eighth note HH without the X. But it did not, the X is still over the note.

When I drag the file in question back into the instrument track in Pro Tools, the last eighth note HH is present but there is an X through it. Once again it plays if I click on it with the Grabber tool but is silent when I play the track.

Thanks again.

[YYR123]

Wait doesn't that mean like another note is choke-ing the HH?

What happens if you delete the midi note and double click another one there.?

[albee1952]

Originally Posted by YYR123

Wait doesn't that mean like another note is choke-ing the HH?

What happens if you delete the midi note and double click another one there.?

Just what I was going to suggest

[duderonomi]

If I double click on the note, it deletes, and there is not an underlying note. I can take the trimmer tool and trim the x back and it looks as if there is another note underneath but it still does not play in the sequence. But will play when auditioning with the grabber tool.

Now the HH note in question is only two ticks long. So it starts at say 476 and ends at 478. Because it is percussion I don't know what the length would matter.

I have remedied the problem by pasting a new note at the same start time and with the same velocity as the note in question and made it longer in duration. But, would like to figure out the answer to the problem as there is a reason for it.

[dterry]

Originally Posted by duderonomi

If I double click on the note, it deletes, and there is not an underlying note. I can take the trimmer tool and trim the x back and it looks as if there is another note underneath but it still does not play in the sequence. But will play when auditioning with the grabber tool.

Now the HH note in question is only two ticks long. So it starts at say 476 and ends at 478. Because it is percussion I don't know what the length would matter.

I have remedied the problem by pasting a new note at the same start time and with the same velocity as the note in question and made it longer in duration. But, would like to figure out the answer to the problem as there is a reason for it.

Are these x notes very short? If so, it's probably the same thing I've been seeing with 9.0.0.

Try selecting a region with the x note and select "remove duplicate notes" (edit menu I believe). This worked last time I tried this week (without deleting the regular note - just the x-note).

I think there its a bug in 9 that creates small doubled x-'d out notes here and there - not frequent, but enough to be annoying.

I've never seen it in my many years of working with midi in other DAWs, using many different controllers. But in PT 9 I've seen it on midi tracks with only one midi device input selected (vs. all inputs active for that track).

[duderonomi]

Yes the notes are very short. I too have worked in midi for many years and never seen this either.

Someone else has experienced this too! Thanks dterry, I'll try this....will let you know if it works.

[Shifted Music]

I've witnessed it often. It seems to be a not that is too chort.. thats why it doesn't actually play. . but in the piano roll and "midi audition mode" (not sure the technical term) when you click on it it makes a sound.

I usually just extend the note a hair and the x goes away and everything is cool.

[dterry]

Originally Posted by Shifted Music

I've witnessed it often. It seems to be a not that is too chort.. thats why it doesn't actually play. . but in the piano roll and "midi audition mode" (not sure the technical term) when you click on it it makes a sound.

I usually just extend the note a hair and the x goes away and everything is cool.

I think the OP is referring to doubled notes - one is too short and is under/on top of the recorded note, preventing it from being played back. That's what I am seeing. Even on long sustained notes, at times there will be a very short x-d out note beneath it. Once removed, the recorded note plays as expected.

I'm positive it's a bug (e.g. never seen it in another app using the same midi controllers, interfaces, etc).

At first I thought it could be controller bounce - a short note on/off sent before a key is truly pressed, but it occurs at exactly the same start point, so that isn't it (a "bounced" or doubled note caused by a controller would occur a few ms before the intended/played note).