PT 9 - So let me get this straight...

[mandrum]

Now, wait a minute. I agree with the man who felt Pt8/loyal customers of Avid/digidesgn were being shafted. I bought a digi rack and protools 8 recently, very recently!! This was to make my studio fully compatible with my local schools studio who also spent a small fortune on a digi 003 system, part of the local council who bought 3 in total. When did we all actually buy this stuff, We bought these units no earlier (I was first) than 3 months ago. Now we have stand alone Pt 9. Better software without the need for lesser hardware.

Let me put it another way, and which is why I can agree to someone saying avid is shafting present customers. If you have a couple of grand saved up for studio gear would you;

A: Buy a digi 003 unit with protools 8 and spend the rest of your money on a holiday(may be needed).

B: Buy a digi 003 unit with protools 8 and spend your change on better outboard convertors and mic pres. Though only utilizing 48khz convertion rate.

C: Buy Pt9 a higher end RME/Focusrite interface, spending your change on mic pres and digital convertors now able to run into your interface at 96khz.

It's a no brainer for me. Now couple that with the fact my local council have been supplied with digi units through funding and will not be selling on e-bay, so if I want to remain compatible with my school and still have a high end project studio, which I do, I have one choice, B.

If I did sell my unit and have my studio stand alone. I would not be buying protools 9 by the way, I would put my '£150' towards a quality plug in or towards a decent mic pre. Though I would be loosing a modest amount of money in the process. I like cubase, it does everything I want, I can use all my favoutite vst processers, and more importantly 3rd party hardware from specialists of their fields which will be much more future proof.

I now own a less valuable system than I did yesterday, I am trapped in a way that I don't like and people have got the nerve to say (obviously with more money than sense of ) sell on e bay. Perhaps a recall of goods sold by avid over the last 6 months would be a way to stop my backside hurting, but maybe that's just me

[windsongstudios]

There's no such thing as a decent mic pre for $250,even if you just plan to record and mix farts.

[Slim Shady]

OMG depreciation by means of advancements in technology! It's never happened to anyone ever before! Run for the hills!!

If you get left behind, we'll send the waaaaaambulance for ya.

[mandrum]

Slim, you obviously did not get the point, anyhow just cause this is a Pt forum you don't have to have your you know up their you know. All very well calling for a sympathetic ambulance for me, what about the schools who have just been......what's the word....ripped off! Would you say this is fair. I ain't too bothered, I will just eventually get rid an go 100 percent cubase with decent gear. Who mentioned getting a decent pre for $250, I may have said after selling my digi box I may have some penny to put towards a decent pre. Anyways, what I was saying was give or take a couple of months, I would rather have had something that could accept smux for the £750 (that's roughly $1200). Pretty sure some other companys do this kind of thing, well to be fair, I would find another way to connect my apogee to the computer than through a digi RACK. If I had of known of this historic release I may have carried on believing protools is decent. Selling gear to schools, making a profit out of equipment that is to become instantly the stuff of Dinosaurs, for a few bucks, getting rid of OLD STOCK, selling it as the best you can get as a front end in a £4000 studio, thats roughly $6500 of gear. Times this by four if you include my purchases and the other schools. Around $24,000 based around systems about (in the next quarter) to become defunkt, and selling it as I say the best your money can buy at the moment, (then )Aug 2010. I couldn't make that kind of sell without a little guilt. I have never been ripped off by any company in this way to this extent with no prior warning. Had AVID,DIGIDESIGN or however owns this company at the moment had some morals left they would have announced on a more global way, at least 6 months ago, we are releasing a new pt softwate in the next year, one where you don't need our audio interfaces to run them. Despite this the digi 003's are half decent, here, have some at a reduced price if you want, or wait for the new one, what was with the big secret, the big shhhhh! Making money, simple. Perhaps even survival, I don't know, but selling this gear on to businesses to sell as current. It's not a step better pt9, its a whole different system all together, anyone starting out with an ordinary sallery buying under the impression that they are buying current products for well earned money, no warning, by the way, you don't need that stuff you spent $1000's on last month. Anyway, nothing against you Slim, apart from your username, however, anyone from Avid want to explain the big secret an selling old stuff at full price, not old stuff as in there is something always coming out that is better/different, but selling something, FULL PRICE, that is, and I will say again, about to become extinct. If you respect your customer, surely you would say, ' you could buy that stuff now at a sell off price, but if you hang on a little longer you could get this instead. I am not happy, don't need an ambulance, just Avid to kake this DIGI box back I now don't need.

[Slim Shady]

no warning, by the way

No warning. Except that guy getting fired from Sweetwater for leaking info and posting rumors all over the Avid forums, and the multiple subsequent threads saying something big coming Nov. 4th....

they would have announced on a more global way, at least 6 months ago, we are releasing a new pt softwate in the next year,

"Hey everyone! Stop buying our products, because in 6 months we're going to have something new to buy!"

Pretty sure anybody that's tried the above business model isn't in business anymore.

anyone from Avid want to explain the big secret an selling old stuff at full price, not old stuff as in there is something always coming out that is better/different, but selling something, FULL PRICE, that is, and I will say again, about to become extinct.

What exactly is about to become extinct about it? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. It's not old. 003's and MBoxes are still in their product line. In fact the price on them will be going UP by $300 pretty soon, so you didn't even pay full price if you use your bizarro world logic.

If you respect your customer, surely you would say, ' you could buy that stuff now at a sell off price, but if you hang on a little longer you could get this instead.

You are obviously very new to capitalism. I've never seen a SINGLE company say that, EVER. I'm not talking about Pro-Audio either. Any profit-based company does not operate like that. Period.

the best your money can buy at the moment

^^ this.

[CME]

FWIW I do see both sides of this fence. However when I go to purchase anything that is, say $500 or more, I do as much research as possible. For a while now anyone checking these boards and asking questions has been warned to wait if you can. If you can't go ahead but something big is coming. However those that did jump ship before now aren't stuck with a lump of coal. PT8 and a Digi 003 is very good unit and IMO priced right for what it is. If you wanted an Apogee equivalent with PT9 your talking $2k for a Apogee Ensemble and $600 for the s/w. Yes I'd wager the Apogee set up would be better, but it costs more. So it should sound better. So instead of wallowing in our misery of being "conned" into buying an 003, lets be glad for the now and all the options we do have.

[mandrum]

Awwwwww Slim, you make me sound so, well, fresh and naive. I can't be xxxxxxx quoting you over and over, however I do know how companies work. I also know what my gear does, and I do know on a buisness level your current PR for Avid should be earning you a job soon. You may not have clocked this though DUDE, that I am from the UK and so don't buy from Sweetwater, neither do I spend all my time on poxy forums either. I will say this nicely, just don't have the time for them.

Nah, missed the point once more the Wrong Slim Shady, I am simply on here today after hearing the news that you don't have to buy the crap boxes anymore to run Pt. Full stop. The ones that the schools in my area are stuck with that they bought a couple of months ago. Full stop! I am not bothered in my case. Capitalism, wots dat? Isn't that the Amerian word for Greed.

Anyway fella, reply with some more elemetary school wit if you like, I have said here what I come to say. God Bless America and Avid, xxxx the rest of the world.

[stoneinapond]

Originally Posted by mandrum

The ones that the schools in my area are stuck with that they bought a couple of months ago. Full stop! I am not bothered in my case. Capitalism, wots dat? Isn't that the Amerian word for Greed.

Anyway fella, reply with some more elemetary school wit if you like, I have said here what I come to say. God Bless America and Avid, xxxx the rest of the world.

You are all over the map here.

Again, the stuff your school bought still works? Does it provide you with 18 I/O? Do you think the schools would have been better of with 2 I/O from crappy computer hardware? Isn't timecode and ADC worth something? Don't UK companies function based on a capitalist system?

This endless whining that seems to be prevalent in the UK with certain individuals is tiresome and counterproductive. But perhaps that's the way you like it. It's far easier to piss and moan than to get on with writing and recording and actually producing something of worth.

And if your final comment isn't

elemetary school sh(w)it

I don't know what is.

[Benoni]

Originally Posted by windsongstudios

There's no such thing as a decent mic pre for $250,even if you just plan to record and mix farts.

Stop stealing my ideas!!!

[texasdave]

I've read over 50 pages on this whole pricing topic and am going to comment...

I bought an ipod 2 weeks before a new version came out...

I bought $500 worth of LR Baggs pickups 4 weeks before the new Anthem system came out...

...it happens.

Yes, the new PT9 is $600 full boat, $290(with an ilok) to upgrade. I've had PT8 with an 11R for a year, and I've been waiting to see if the current version is actually stable enough to install on the Win7 machine i owned when I bought the 11R...

All things considered, this is a great move forward. As many have stated, this is a breakthrough release and shift in hardware policy. I'm thrilled to have a new software release that supports Win7, and to have a setup I can install on more than one machine in the house and just move the iLok back and forth... I can drag the racked 11R around if I want to, or I can use a compact interface and a laptop if I want to review what I've been working on. This is a major shift in strategy for both hobbyist and pro user. Will the price point move some hobby/project studios to something else? Probably. Will it let me use Pro Tools more and Reaper less (or not at all?) Absolutely. In the end, this is going to provide more power for the hobby/project/econo studio and is going to (likely) provide more flexibility in workflow for the full-time pro studio. Spin it as you like, this is a new era for Pro Tools (yeah i know about "new" features are "old" on other platforms, that stuff always leapfrogs from product to product.) I'm thrilled to get the crossgrade price and I can't wait to get up and running with it.

Count me a recent owner who couldn't be happier with the way the events have unfurled...


Texasdave