So, with Logic's in built sampler, where are we here on PT year 2001?

[Jules]

I'm helping an artist I am working with put a rig together, midi & sampling are not my bag really, I'm more into audio, (so is he) He did however want a sampler to go with it....

So Far

Fastest available G4 maxed out with ram etc, with hot swap caddy to interface with Mix+ rigs at mine and other studios + CD burner
Big monitor (or flatscreen)
Digidesign 001
Either a Apogee Rosestta or Cranesong Hedd
AKG SolidTube
Sure SM57 & KSM32
TLA 5051 voice channel

remember, he is AUDIO BASED and will want to stick in Pro Tools midi n all.

What to do about a sampler? Just use Alkalai? The new Bitsheads thang? Waz goin DOWN?!



TIA

Jules

[Chris Lambrechts]

Hi there Jules,

jujst some thoughts on your setup here .....

Cranesong vs. Apogee ..... Isn't there quite a difference in price tag between the Rossetta and the Hedd ????? Hedd seems to be more in the PSX-100 league with the DA on board etc ..... anyhow, supposing budget is important, Rossetta would be a great cost effectif choice, is the Hedd available yet ?????

Don't want to diss the TLA but rather take the Rossetta in order to put more money in another voice channel......

Sampler ....... I'm an outboard guy all the way here ..... Big EMU fan but guess AKAI has the better allround and easier learning curve for someone new to this ...... Both is ideal but the S5000 / 6000 are GREAT machines ......... now for someone who is into midi and composing, the Roland JV series is a absolute must, have a 2080 myself filled with extra cards but the newer 5080 would make a great composers machine ...... why ???, well Not for the sound of it in terms of using it on final products (Stuff like Kurzweill etc is better ...) BUT they are great to start of a song with,.... decent sounds and very fast and good sounding to put together an arrangement to get a general idea of what you want the song to sound like. When tracking it to audio, that's where the sampler will take over .......

Just some thoughts .......


HNY



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Chris Lambrechts

[Jules]

Hi Chris,

Thoughts back

"is the Hedd available yet ?????"

Yes, we are using it on his album..

"Don't want to diss the TLA but rather take the Rossetta in order to put more money in another voice channel......"

Like what a Pure Path? Manley VoxBox? Focusrite Producer Pack?

All that **** costs a BOMB Chris.. Take your Rosestta point.. But as Barbera Bush once said relating to our Bill, no man ever forgets when he got Hedd!

Last time I looked (er I mean, sold mine) the Akai S5/6000 series WAS A DOG via Mac connections! Emu IS supposed to rock you are right...

roland JV series is a v good point.

The DerBate continUes

Jules

[Chris Lambrechts]

I have to look into that hedd one of these,.... you have Apogee 8000's I think no ??? How does it compare to those ?? Do you like to AD in with the Hedd ???

Guess you're right about the voice channel. Although the Purepath should become within handreach when looking at the difference between Hedd and Rossetta. Can't think of anything in between ......... used to have an ART Pro MPA, very cheap. Kinda regret selling it actually,...... but that's pre only of course,....

S5/6000 a DOG via MAC,...... you mean when editting with their ****** MESA software, ..... never even tried installing it, but then again, who needs it, I like working on the samplers without the editing softs they offer. My Opninion about soft samplers like the logic one, alkali etc etc is that, IMHO you need to dedicate a mac to them. Maxed out G4 is fantastic, and I suppose it will work up to even a more than decent level,..... but you'd still have to give up power you could have extra for the digi 001 I think. But then again outboard samplers are more expensive and not necessarily that much better than some software ones. Difficult one .........

Guess your friend should decide if he wants to go outboard and edit samples ON the sampler or go software ........ Anyhow, again just my 2 cents, but I'd let rather go of a flat screen and maybe just put 256 megs in the G4 instead of maxing it out to save up for the difference to get an outboard sampler. PPfffffffffffffff , the more I think about it the more complicated it gets, ........

Nah, the original idea of getting a software sampler maybe is the best one, still ....... more important is the voice channel IMO ...... No matter what sampler or how maxed out the Mac is, or how flat his screen is, it won't make his voice sound any better without a nice "way into" the digi, and after that he'll come over to your place, supposing that you can fix the sound ??????

Oh, and we didn't even discuss the mic yet, but then again, I suppose you'd lend him some of your collection I suppose if he needs a good one,.......

BTW,..... talking mic,..... why not bid on the Nuemann TLM auction Fletcher is seeming to have nowadays on e-bay ..... maybe you can get lucky and get one at a very nice price.

Sorry if it all looks a bit chaotic, but it's late and I'm typing / thinking out loud while writing this .........

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Chris Lambrechts

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[smlworld]

for sampling, I am loving the Unity DS-1

it works. sounds great. interfaces really well with PT 5.01.

(not affiliatedwith bitheadz)

but check this out

quoted from featured artist Gary Gold
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What is your current setup? (Type of computers, sequencing software, I/O cards, etc.)

I use a Mac G4/450 with a gigabyte of RAM, Logic Audio Platinum, Pro Tools 5 TDM with a Magma chassis and 6 MIX Farm cards. On the outboard side I use a Mackie Digital 8 Bus, KRK, Genelec 1031's, and Yamaha NS-10M monitors. For recording I use the Neve 1073 Mic pre's, assorted sexy vintage microphones and every plug-in know to man and even some that aren't! I should also mention that I use six 20 gig VST firewire drives to store all my sample banks. The great thing about these is I can also take them on the road with my powerbook rig.

In what way have software synthesizers changed the way you make music?

Software samplers have complety changed the way I make music. Having such immediate access to all my sounds makes a huge difference in what I might try for a paticular tune. I can go and preview drum loops with the DS-1 keyboard, immediately get a groove and then paint different colors over that groove instanteously and seamlessly. From there, I overdub sample-based MIDI tracks and can get a song up within an hour or so. Since it's so easy to bounce things around in the digital realm, I can have a presentable demo that because of the quality, is destined to be a master. BitHeadz is a big part of the reason that the seperation between demo and master is becoming smaller and smaller! Then call in the musicians for overdubs, mix to taste, and presto! hit record.

What's the coolest thing that BitHeadz software has allowed you to do?

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How easy has it been for you to adapt to doing sampling and synthesis on the computer?

Easy would not be the word. It's just a blessing, having this type of knowledge previously has transferred right across to the software environment.

Do you have any advice to share with musicians who are considering a 'rack reduction'?

Hardware is dead. Game over. Get with the future, get with the program, get the BitHeadz stuff and make music!

[Ang1970]

Chris,
What are you on? (And can I have some?)
hehe

****ers

[Jules]

Thank you smallworld & Chris!
V interesting!
Jules

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