PT 2024.3 NEW issue MIDI LATENCY

[strawb]

thanks for the clarification, maybe i''l try it one more time in 2024.10.1.
but not one avid tech (of the 6 i've dealt with on this issue) has mentioned this option. my video example shows a situation where the drum beat is played in time while recording, but the midi notes are recorded late and thus playback late. i have a feeling its something else, but i will let you know after i do some tests.

Originally Posted by skylar_battles

I think you are misunderstanding the new MIDI Delay Compensation toggle, which was introduced in 2024.10.

In Green Mode (MIDI Delay Compensation OFF), Audio Delay Compensation is suspended for the Instrument track when its Record Enable and/or Input Monitor buttons are engaged, so that you are able to play without thousands of samples of latency, for example, when other plugins are present in the session. This behavior is identical to that of an Audio track, where engaging Record Enable and/or Input Monitoring causes Delay Compensation to be suspended for that track.

So you being able to “overdub midi VI's on songs PACKED with PLUGINS for decades” is because of this behavior. Now it is just equates to the default state and the “Green” Input Monitor button since another mode was added. So it’s not a workaround, it’s the logical default for an Instrument track.

In Blue Mode (MIDI Delay compensation ON), Audio Delay Compensation ALWAYS stays enabled for the Instrument track even when it has its Record Enable and/or Input Monitor buttons engaged. This makes it possible to trigger loops from samplers and have them play in time with the rest of the session during recording or just monitoring while playing along. This is a much more specific use case than typical VI recording. I have not found another case when this mode is useful.

I hope that makes some sense and if not I’m happy to clarify! When you open a session and create an Instrument track to use a drum VI to trigger one shots as I see in your Dropbox videos demonstrating your issue, Record enabling the track and recording in its default Green Mode (MIDI Delay Compensation OFF) should be working correctly, but it sounds like you are faced with the same issue when using any PT version after 2023.12.1.

You can toggle from Green to Blue by Control+Command+Clicking the Input Monitor button on an Instrument track, instead of having to open the track context menu and checking or unchecking it.

To clarify further, the MIDI Delay Compensation modes only affects what is monitored during recording and NOT how the MIDI notes are placed.

[joselovito]

I really REALLY hope this gets resolved in the next (2025.02 maybe?) update. If not, does anyone have a reliable workaround for the time being? The amount by which the MIDI gets printed after live recording it doesn't seem to be consistent to me...

[strawb]

just got this email (unprompted) from avid tech support RE BUG PT-262860

Entered on: 2/20/2025 4:46 PM Entered by: Francis Ben

Hello.

This case will now be closed as the bug fix will be available on the next Pro Tools release.

Best Regards,

Benjie
AVID Pro Tools Technical Support



what?????? a future update will solve this problem?
how can a case be closed without it being resolved?

this is nuts....
1st: release the update and lets see if the problem is fixed.
2nd: if the problem is fixed then close the case
3rd: if not, then the case is not closed

[smurfyou]

Originally Posted by strawb

just got this email (unprompted) from avid tech support RE BUG PT-262860

Entered on: 2/20/2025 4:46 PM Entered by: Francis Ben

Hello.

This case will now be closed as the bug fix will be available on the next Pro Tools release.

Best Regards,

Benjie
AVID Pro Tools Technical Support



what?????? a future update will solve this problem?
how can a case be closed without it being resolved?

this is nuts....
1st: release the update and lets see if the problem is fixed.
2nd: if the problem is fixed then close the case
3rd: if not, then the case is not closed

Well that means your case was tied to an actual engineering report so it's kind of a good thing. They think they fixed it. That's better than a lot of cases that go unresolved. Reopen it if it's not fixed for you.

[strawb]

Originally Posted by smurfyou

Well that means your case was tied to an actual engineering report so it's kind of a good thing. They think they fixed it. That's better than a lot of cases that go unresolved. Reopen it if it's not fixed for you.

ok fingers crossed that pt 2025 does the trick

[marianna]

Originally Posted by strawb

just got this email (unprompted) from avid tech support RE BUG PT-262860

Entered on: 2/20/2025 4:46 PM Entered by: Francis Ben

Hello.

This case will now be closed as the bug fix will be available on the next Pro Tools release.

Best Regards,

Benjie
AVID Pro Tools Technical Support


what?????? a future update will solve this problem?
how can a case be closed without it being resolved?

this is nuts....
1st: release the update and lets see if the problem is fixed.
2nd: if the problem is fixed then close the case
3rd: if not, then the case is not closed

Hi there strawb

I can confirm that the bug is fixed and will be rolled into the next release of PT. I can also confirm that a few others related were also fixed and are:

PT-262860: MIDI incorrectly placed on timeline, determined by H/W buffer setting

PT-329836: MIDI Virtual Instrument Recording Always Sounds EARLY on Playback

PT-201867: Recorded live MIDI from VI is not aligned with audio.

Not exactly sure when the next release date-wise but Im going to follow it and you can also email me to check on it (email is below).

Normally tech closes the case when they are informed that the bug is fixed so they can alert the customer so they know it is coming in the next release. As Will ( smurfyou ) said.... some don't get resolved so this is a good thing!

Marianna

[innerbooty]

These would be very exciting, welcome and long overdue developments!! Very cool. So, would these bug fixes collectively be considered part of the overall "fix MIDI ADC" issues we've been having for so long? Or is that its own separate bug? I have a hard time keeping all the MIDI issues straight...

[marianna]

Originally Posted by innerbooty

These would be very exciting, welcome and long overdue developments!! Very cool. So, would these bug fixes collectively be considered part of the overall "fix MIDI ADC" issues we've been having for so long? Or is that its own separate bug? I have a hard time keeping all the MIDI issues straight...

Hi there innerbooty......

There are still some issues with MIDI that are still in progress but the ones above are their own individual bugs which are closed/fixed. My hope is additional issues are also closed/fixed before release (and no I dont know what that date will be ).

Engineering is working super hard to get as much as they can resolved but it depends on complexity and dependance.

Anyone can always ask me about a specific issue thru email or PM.

Marianna

[joselovito]

Thank you so much Marianna. Can't stress how critical this was. Looking forward to the release.

[bridgie]

Hi, I have something similar, When using pro tools to record or play any midi instruments / Drums /Keyboards and external, Guitars & Microphones or vocals, there is so much latency problems , I have changed the buffer size to 32 and even placed the tracks in low latency mode but the issue continues and this is unusable for me as trying to finish many projects for clients I am working with, I have tried this with Logic 11 and no problems at all, please can you help asap, I was going to try updating macOS today but thought I would hang back to see if this can be resolved