Using time align for drum kit

[albee1952]

Originally Posted by n_vegas

will pushing the snare back to the overheads in time align create any perceived latency now that everything is lined up?

I do know warrens channel I think it’s fantastic!

No worries on that. You are really dealing in inches and that's no worse than moving mics further away(which people do all the time)

[basslik]

Also keep in mind, sometimes not lined up perfect per say will also yield great results. Let your ears work for you when you are nudging while listening.


I also Cut and lower the wave forms on the quieter parts on the toms like warren does.

[albee1952]

Originally Posted by basslik

Also keep in mind, sometimes not lined up perfect per say will also yield great results. Let your ears work for you when you are nudging while listening.


I also Cut and lower the wave forms on the quieter parts on the toms like warren does.

This reminds me of one of my favorite fixes for bleed. I always try to record several single tom hits(after the end of the song) and then use those to sound-replace the toms. You get the same tom sound minus all the bleed

[EGS]

Originally Posted by albee1952

this reminds me of one of my favorite fixes for bleed. I always try to record several single tom hits(after the end of the song) and then use those to sound-replace the toms. You get the same tom sound minus all the bleed:d

+1😎

[n_vegas]

Originally Posted by basslik

Also keep in mind, sometimes not lined up perfect per say will also yield great results. Let your ears work for you when you are nudging while listening.


I also Cut and lower the wave forms on the quieter parts on the toms like warren does.

Oh that’s a great idea! So you’ll go to certain parts of the song, make a cut in that section of the toms and lower the clip gain to clean it up a little?

[basslik]

Originally Posted by n_vegas

Oh that’s a great idea! So you’ll go to certain parts of the song, make a cut in that section of the toms and lower the clip gain to clean it up a little?

Indeed. Been doing for about three years myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP9NBb5jQ8o


The plugin he's using is cool, but I don't have it, seems like a good time saver. Although I'm pretty fast doing it manually.

[dcoffset]

Originally Posted by JFreak

Many times jazz snare is miked from top and bottom, most everything else from top only. If you have two mics on snare, be very careful that you have proper phase as they easily cancel out. Resulting too snare heavy sound without any snap from the stick.

The genre / approach issue is a valid point. You don't need 15 mics to get a good drum sound, it depends on what you are doing.

However I think Janne may have a typo here. Jazz snare (I assume brushes) likely only need to be mic'ed from the top. Rock and most other genres with a stick can benefit from the top/bottom mic approach where top provides body and bottom provides snap / treble - but as Janne points out alignment is key to ensure this approach works.

Personally, I'd always advocate for trying to figure out phase during setup. eg. measuring mic distances to SD, and flipping phase to hear what sounds best... Equally significant are well-tuned drums, a good live room, and dare I say it a good performance .

[basslik]

I learned all this cool stuff from you folks here and hit makers on the tube. So many ways.


Janne I've been doing that trick quite a bit. After session I'll have the drummer give me some samples of all the toms, snare, and cymbal hits too. at varying degrees of impact.


I also like using the bottom snare mic at very low volume, and hardly any bleed, then use is slightly for crack on the mix, but most certainly make a copy of the track for sound replacer for sure. The transients line up really well.


Certainly I dig the John Glen mojo for blues and Jazz for sure.

[albee1952]

FWIW, once I tried recording drums with top and bottom mics on the toms(thanks to Bob Rock), I don't want to go back I also always use a snare bottom mic and sometimes add a 3rd SDC on the top. Depending on the genre, these can be great options at mix.

[basslik]

Originally Posted by albee1952

FWIW, once I tried recording drums with top and bottom mics on the toms(thanks to Bob Rock), I don't want to go back I also always use a snare bottom mic and sometimes add a 3rd SDC on the top. Depending on the genre, these can be great options at mix.