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I see why you would want to do that but man, it’s asking a lot IMO, fiddly to set up and assumes there are no conflicts between a third party Multi Script and any individual instrument’s scripting. Plus there’s a risk that future Kontakt updates break Mind Control. Personally I’ve given up on third party Instrument Scripts in the past because they broke too often. Too many potential workflow breakers here! If it were me, I’d bite the bullet and set up an instance of Kontakt per instrument, i.e. one instance with an Instrument Bank for Violins 1 with all the articulations loaded into an instrument bank slots, another Kontakt instance for violins 2 and so on. Then at least you know Mind Control is not conflicted between multiple Instrument Banks within one Kontakt instance which seems to be the case here. If you did end up with one instrument per Kontakt instance you might be able to get away with the Kontakt factory Multi Script that maps MIDI controllers to program change messages. That’s assuming you don’t use any of the other functionality of Mind Control but it’s one less third party thing to break! This sort of stuff is why I’m a keyswitch guy even though I use a lot of Spitfire stuff! As an aside there is another benefit to working this way. It’s my understanding that Kontakt can only use ONE core of your CPU effectively when used as a plug-in in both Pro Tools and VE Pro. Someone will no doubt correct me if I’m wrong on this but that’s what it looks like to me. Therefore spreading your instruments across multiple instances of Kontakt rather than stuffing as many instruments into one Kontakt Multi is generally a good idea because you’re spreading your Kontakt CPU demands across more cores.
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I begged them repeatedly to put scripting in VEPro 7. It would make it so much more powerful. Last edited by melodydetective; 09-27-2019 at 11:40 AM. Reason: typo |
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I must check out Composer Tools Pro. I also hate having countless articulations spread across countless tracks but have always used keyswitches, partly because I always have and everything is set so whatever the library, the same keyswitches select the same articulation and has done for 20 years. This took a LOT of work but it does mean EVERY articulation of an instrument is addressed by a single instrument track in Pro Tools. It’s a shame the Spitfire’s UACC protocol hasn’t been widely adopted. For that matter it’s about time PT had articulation management like Cubase and Logic do. Not holding my breath for that though. I don’t know if PT chases program changes to be honest because in my scenario it doesn’t need to. In case you didn’t know, each slot of an Instrument Bank can be recalled with a program change and I’m guessing that’s what Mind Control is spitting out to switch Instrument Bank slots. It doesn’t matter whether PT chases PCs or not because you’re actually sending it keyswitches (or controllers if you prefer) that are mapped to PCs by the script. I’ve never had any conflicts with the scripting of any instruments loaded into slots in an Instrument Bank providing there are no conflicting keyswitches or controllers in use in an instrument that are also used to trigger the Multi Script. This is academic if you’re sticking with Mind Control but I’m just wondering out loud if the Kontakt factory script would play nicer with the likes of Capsule scripting than Mind Control.
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I have not used mind control, but did work for a developer where I spent a lot of time coding kontakt scripts. As cool as multi-script could have the potential to be, it is not very useful for anything other than very simple implementations. It works the best in the standalone version of kontakt, but is still pretty limiting even in that realm. The developer I worked for refused to put any more R&D into multi-script after spending many months with another (much more expensive) programmer than myself only to come to the conclusion that all of the multiscript programming he had done was not going to be usable.
As others have said, kontakt as a plug-in is much more efficient if you load many instances, each with one instrument vs. trying to load many instruments in one instance. Kontakt scripting has fairly restrictive limitations in how many things it can do with a note, I’m not sure if this is by design to keep it from having too much latency or a problem related to the scripting language being a high level language. But I would guess most kontakt scripters will try to get as close to hitting this wall as possible if they are doing anything in the note callback. I did use pro tools to compose orchestral music back in the samplecell days, but can’t imagine using it for that again after using Logic. The features like track folders are (to me) an absolute must for large orch templates. I occasionally use midi in pro tools for smaller projects, but usually start my sequence in logic, and record/mix in pro tools.
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Agreed on both points. A scripting layer would be so very useful. And also folder tracks.
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Hi John -
Thank you for your insight into this. What I wish is that I could use TransMIDIfier between Pro Tools and VEPro - or that VEPro had TransMIDIfier's feature set embedded in it. I'd rather load individual Kontakt instruments and then tell the host how I want to address them. And TransMIDIfier is unbelievable, but it removes the ability to do offline bounces, and I'm not super-confident in its longevity. I love many of Logic's features, but I dislike the tool situation, the locating and the view changing compared to how Pro Tools does it. Quote:
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Marsdy, Please how many instruments tracks do you have in your template? Do you let them all deactivate or activate when charging your template ? And how many vepro instances ? Thank you very much |
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