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Old 05-05-2021, 11:15 AM
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Default Big Sur Update - Graphics lag and can't reorder tracks

After seeing PT 2021 was fully compatible, I went ahead with upgrading to Big Sur on my Intel Mac.

I am now experiencing two major problems when running sessions in PT:

1. Intense graphics lag & response time - as if my entire computer was running at 3 frames per second. VU meters are choppy, scrolling up and down the session is slow, as well as clicking through menu's. CPU meters don't appear to be maxing out, but that is how it feels.

2. I can no longer re-order any of the tracks in my session by way of drag and drop. I can move clips around fine, but tracks won't move in either Edit or Mix view.

I did a full manual re-install of PT (followed these instructions ), I removed all third party plug-ins from plug-ins folder, and only thing left I can think of now is clean install of macOS, rather than upgrade.

Anyone else out there experienced any of these issues before?

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Old 05-05-2021, 12:06 PM
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Default Re: Big Sur Update - Graphics lag and can't reorder tracks

I don’t think it’s Pro Tools related, but Big Sur is a major upgrade so it could be doing some under the hood work that needs time to stabilize..

I would leave it idle overnight and reboot the next morning see if it solves the issue. Worth trying before clean re-install…
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Old 05-05-2021, 12:50 PM
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Default Re: Big Sur Update - Graphics lag and can't reorder tracks

Thanks @Samtrino - unfortunately been this way a few days now and system is otherwise totally idle. Also the fact I can't drag and drop anything hints towards something a little more buggy going on.
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Old 05-05-2021, 12:52 PM
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Default Re: Big Sur Update - Graphics lag and can't reorder tracks

That is weird... does it also affect other apps or only PT?

EDIT: actually it seems similar performance issues are affecting few people - here's a thread at apple with few hundred posts already:

https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/666661
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Old 05-05-2021, 01:14 PM
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Default Re: Big Sur Update - Graphics lag and can't reorder tracks

Interesting! Could definitely be some link there, however for me issues don't exist anywhere outside of Pro Tools.

My other DAW's, games, CPU heavy apps all running totally smooth. Everything except the one app I really need to rely on haha.
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Old 05-05-2021, 08:41 PM
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Default Re: Big Sur Update - Graphics lag and can't reorder tracks

I read on another thread that increasing the buffer size seems to help the graphics lag problem. Perhaps give that a try. I realize that higher buffer sizes may make tracking difficult for some situations. I usually only use lower buffer setting for tracking and use higher buffer setting when mixing.
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Old 05-06-2021, 01:01 AM
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After seeing PT 2021 was fully compatible, I went ahead with upgrading to Big Sur on my Intel Mac.

I am now experiencing two major problems when running sessions in PT:

1. Intense graphics lag & response time - as if my entire computer was running at 3 frames per second. VU meters are choppy, scrolling up and down the session is slow, as well as clicking through menu's. CPU meters don't appear to be maxing out, but that is how it feels.

2. I can no longer re-order any of the tracks in my session by way of drag and drop. I can move clips around fine, but tracks won't move in either Edit or Mix view.

I did a full manual re-install of PT (followed these instructions ), I removed all third party plug-ins from plug-ins folder, and only thing left I can think of now is clean install of macOS, rather than upgrade.

Anyone else out there experienced any of these issues before?

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Quite a nightmare here ... Running Big Sur Latest Update 11.3 and Pro Tools 2021.3.1 on an iMac Pro
Those graphical glitches and lags did not resolve ever since Big Sur 11.2.3 and Pro Tools 2021.3

I tried all work arounds and yet nothing changed ....

Try to open the piano roll for example and select the notes you got ... you would realize that the brightness of the notes is flickering ...

I think Avid has to issue a statement or anything in regards to this ...
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Old 05-08-2021, 07:24 AM
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Big Sur 11.3.1 and Pro Tools 2021.3.1

Graphic Issues Solved
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Old 05-08-2021, 09:02 AM
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I cried Victory too early !! Glitches are still here ...
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Old 05-12-2021, 12:33 PM
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Default Re: Big Sur Update - Graphics lag and can't reorder tracks

Any update on this issue? I am considering if I should update to Big Sur 11.3.1 and PT 2021.3.1.

Thx!
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