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Re: PT mixer headroom severely reduced to 20dB over 0dBFS. Bug?
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Re: PT mixer headroom severely reduced to 20dB over 0dBFS. Bug?
It's not about need, nor is it about gaining up an individual file. Look, I've been a pro audio guy since 1993. I started out on 2" tape and analog consoles. I know gain structure very well. But stuff happens, especially under tight deadlines. It's rare. But it happens.
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Re: PT mixer headroom severely reduced to 20dB over 0dBFS. Bug?
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I'm earning my money in studios and live since 84 but that says nothing.
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Re: PT mixer headroom severely reduced to 20dB over 0dBFS. Bug?
Let's agree nobody is affected by this since nobody noticed it in the last 1.5 years, but we would all like to have a faulty PT mixer be checked because what else might be going on...
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Re: PT mixer headroom severely reduced to 20dB over 0dBFS. Bug?
I'm happy for you that you never had to face the kinds of situations in which huge surprises happen and there's no time to deal with it the way it needs. But some of us do.
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Re: PT mixer headroom severely reduced to 20dB over 0dBFS. Bug?
If it is recorded wrong, record it again and do it right.
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Re: PT mixer headroom severely reduced to 20dB over 0dBFS. Bug?
Doesn't apply. In certain situations, stuff gets sent to you from people who know nothing about audio, and you have to turn around immediately. You can't just go to a conference in the past and re-record a message, for instance.
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Re: PT mixer headroom severely reduced to 20dB over 0dBFS. Bug?
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If this happens something else must be completely gone wrong.
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Re: PT mixer headroom severely reduced to 20dB over 0dBFS. Bug?
Quite right. Sometimes, the things that are completely wrong are out of the engineer's control. But I'm not thinking of gaining a single file to that point. You're right that it's pretty hard to imagine a situation where that would happen.
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Re: PT mixer headroom severely reduced to 20dB over 0dBFS. Bug?
I'm surprised a moderator would be so dismissive of another professional's concerns. And...the issue here is that there seems to be something wrong with the math in clip-gain and audiosuite processes - it may be an edge-case that it has to be 20dB above full scale to flag it (and it's good that it's not in the actual floating point mixer dsp - that would make it *not* an edge case), but clips should be recoverable to literally hundreds of dB above "full scale". If they're not, it indicates a problem with the math, and that should be of concern to the coders, period. If one doesn't have faith in the math of basic operations then it calls into question what *else* might be lurking under the hood to bite you when you're not looking? If someone who actually is involved in the coding said: "we decided to shuffle those kinds of operations off to a different engine that only allows recovery to 20dB over FS", I'd say fine, but this apparently used to work fine, and AFAICT in a fully floating point environment should still work fine, but appears to have broken in the last couple versions. Again, this will not affect anything I do, but it's very odd. Please stop dismissing competent engineers' justified concerns, and please stop pointing fingers at the user - this should work correctly...full stop.
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