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Old 05-24-2016, 05:19 AM
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Default Recording levels? -18dbs

Not to me either. I was referring to psychoacoustic effect of louder is better. Newbies turn the mic gain, seasoned professionals the monitoring volume knob.

Would rather not even mention a 83dB calibrated listening environment but hey

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A pad sounds better recorded hot? Not to me. And why record something hot only to turn it down 30 db during the mix. What a waste.

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Agreed.A signal recorded loud or soft will sound the same. The only difference will be the S/N ratio. With modern recording of 24 bits with a S/N of 144 db, you'll never hear the noise.
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That is only true if you apply +30dB of gain to the monitoring path to offset the -30dB of gain. Even then, I am skeptical that the audio will sound the same, since everything you could not hear before was just boosted by +30dB of gain.
My point was that a sound recorded at different levels will be reproduced without error if recorded under the Nyquist frequency limit. The only difference will be the Signal-to-noise ratio.

See this excellent tutorial about bit depth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIQ9IXSUzuM
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I think you all will find this interesting:

http://www.orban.com/meter/

Orban Loudness Meter for Win/Mac

V2.8.2 is a major upgrade that adds support for up to 7.1-channel surround and the ability to analyze audio and the audio parts of video files offline for their BS.1770-3 Integrated Loudness, EBU R 128 LRA, highest reconstructed peak level, and number of reconstructed peaks above 0 dBFS. It will graph the BS.1770-3 Integrated Loudness and peak swings of the CBS Loudness Meter as a function of time, and can display a histogram of the BS.1770-3 Integrated Loudness.
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This thread is a good read and should be a sticky for young up and comers!
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And us old up and comers.
Never too late to learn! Up and comers relate to longevity recording, you can be 70 and be an up and comer! Never too late for anything!

You just bring more wisdom to the process!!!!

I'm 52 but I've been passionate about recording for all of my adult life! You'd think I'd have it mastered by now, but I'm still learning things every day!!!
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A pad sounds better recorded hot? Not to me. And why record something hot only to turn it down 30 db during the mix. What a waste.

Steve
^^^^ This

I'm surprised no one's mentioned the straight-line rule, i.e. recording your tracks at roughly the level they'll end up in the mix, to result in a set of mix faders that are all similar in levels. This seems an even more applicable concept today than it did back in the days of tape.

There's a "dummies" page here about it for anyone unfamiliar with the concept.

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/conten...line-rule.html
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Getting inputs to kinda match outputs is also a great way to keep an eye (ear?) on noise... Remember that every time one boosts gain after the fact one is also boosting noise, rumble, hiss, etc. normalizing usually isn't your friend.

There's a lot to be said for providing sufficient level (NOT volume) when tracking.

Keep it down but makes sure there's enough, and it's clean on the way in. Not an issue that I know of with virtual instruments but introduce one mic, with a pre, cabling, etc, and....?
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You can do a quick test for noise. Just record something peaking at -30 and turn it up. The results shocked me. With 24 bit converters and Pro Tools LE, noise turned out to not be a problem worth even thinking about.
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You can do a quick test for noise. Just record something peaking at -30 and turn it up. The results shocked me. With 24 bit converters and Pro Tools LE, noise turned out to not be a problem worth even thinking about.
Yes, this is very true. The ratio of signal to noise doesn't change at all. We all need to have clean preamps and quiet amps. But recording hot doesn't change the ratio at all. And it's too hard to make a 2 db change when when your fader is at -30.

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