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Old 04-14-2005, 10:35 AM
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Default Regions madness! 6 edits creates 4200 regions!?

Hi,

I have been having problems for a while now with my regions list getting so full that after 20-30 minutes of editing i get spinning beachball and PT comes to a stand still. I have found that when editing from the edit page, hundreds of regions are being created for every edit?

I have imported 15 audio files, made 6 edits, and now each audio file is divided into 280 regions x 15 = 4200 regions for 6 edits!!! I have been working on this song for 2 hours and allready have 17209 regions??

Have i missed something in the settings/preferences?

Anybody got any explanation? or cure?

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Old 04-14-2005, 01:09 PM
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Default Re: Regions madness! 6 edits creates 4200 regions!

what??

make one edit and watch the regions list and see whats created? there is a preference for displaying edited regions but damn dude.. one edit on six tracks should be 12 regions. if ya trim or fade then ya got more.
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Old 04-15-2005, 01:44 PM
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Default Re: Regions madness! 6 edits creates 4200 regions!

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make one edit and watch the regions list and see whats created? there is a preference for displaying edited regions but damn dude.. one edit on six tracks should be 12 regions. if ya trim or fade then ya got more.
Technically this is incorrect. One edit across six tracks will yeild 18 regions. 6 original audio files (in bold), 6 regions with a -01 at the end, and 6 regions with a -02 at the end.

Add one splice in the middle of the newly created second region ( the one labeled "-02") and you will create 12 more regions. This will give you a total of 30 regions, the breakdown is as follows:
6 original regions (in bold)
6 regions with -01 (first half of your first edit)
6 regions with -02 (second half of your first edit)
6 regions with -03 (first half of your second edit)
6 regions wiht -04 (second half of your second edit)

The only visible regions will be 3 sets (of 6 each) and those will be labeled "-01", "-03", and "-04" ("-02" being completely replaced by "-03 and "-04").

If you are doing this across 15 tracks instead of 6 you will have even more! Every time you do one edit you are adding 30 regions to the region list. And remember, if it took you 30 minutes to get 6 edits, you've probably done a lot more than just 6 splices to arrive at those final 6 edits. Every time you splice, you add twice as many tracks as you are splicing to the region bin.

look in the manual and/or in the pref's for "Auto created regions". Do not show auto-created regions and/or delete them periodically and you should be ok.
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Old 04-16-2005, 01:57 AM
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Default Re: Regions madness! 6 edits creates 4200 regions!

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Technically this is incorrect. One edit across six tracks will yeild 18 regions. 6 original audio files (in bold), 6 regions with a -01 at the end, and 6 regions with a -02 at the end.[QUOTE]


Hi,

Maybe i didn't explain correctly!! But i can edit one audio region only with just 6 cuts to get 4200 regions! it is almost like all the audio regions are selected? but they are NOT, only one region is selected when i make a cut!!

I have taken some snap shots? and i hope to make them available to view!? 1 cut on 1 audio region only, and every audio region in the regions list seems to get devided and i get approx 50 new regions? a second cut again on just 1 audio region and the regions list turns almost completely blue with new created regions! 100's!!

I select not to view auto-created regions and it makes no difference? 20 minutes of editing and PT comes to a stand still, with spinning beachball.

I have tried so far..

un-installed PT and re-installed
trashed all prefs
trashed digi database on each volume
trashed volumes
erased my audio drive
saved session copy as

Closed my studio down for a day to do all this and it has made no difference!?

Well, here is a link to a page on my website!? just scroll down to view each image!? image 1 will show the audio region "organ" selected and ready to make a cut! image 2 shows what happens after 1 cut? image 3 shows what happens after the second cut!! (the regions list is full of new regions!!!)

http://www.sussexweb.co.uk/studio/DI...002%20dark.htm


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Old 04-16-2005, 11:31 AM
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Default Re: Regions madness! 6 edits creates 4200 regions!?

See how many of these regions are unused. Select all the unused regions and 'remove' them.
Don't delete anything in case it is needed. Was there any consolidation going on?
Do you have hidden tracks linked in groups?
Do you have multiple takes on tracks?
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Old 04-16-2005, 05:10 PM
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Default Re: Regions madness! 6 edits creates 4200 regions!?

Create a new session from scratch. Make 1 new track and record a short region on it. Perhaps call the track 'Test'. Then do a cut on the region and see what happens. If all is as you expect then try adding another track and repeating the exercise. I suspect that there are grouped tracks that are being cut when you do the edit. It seems from the pictures that all manner of regions are being edited when you do an edit and I Imagine that that is due to grouped tracks.
Let me know the rsults of the test

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Old 04-16-2005, 07:36 PM
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Default Re: Regions madness! 6 edits creates 4200 regions!?

What about the preference ""Separate Region" operates On All Related Takes". If this is checked, an edit is done on related takes, the edit will be performed on all of those takes. As much as I understand related takes are ones that start and end at the same time.

In this case an edit on one track may cause equivalent edit-regions to be created on the other files, but not used in the playlist. Then if all of these files are on playlists and being edited as a group, the process could repeat multiplying quite a lot. Eg: edit on 1 track = 6 tracks worth of same edits, go to next track, edits of edits on all 6 again, next track, etc, etc....

In any case, I often go to the Audio bin menu and "Select Unused Regions Except Whole Files" and "Clear Selected" with "Remove" and not "Delete". This speeds up the editing process and keeps the session file size down too.
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Default Re: Regions madness! 6 edits creates 4200 regions!?

Hi,

Matt, the "seperate regions operates on all selected tracks" does seem a possible cause to this? But i thought that was just for editing and matching playlists? non of my audio takes have more than 1 playlist per track! but they do all have matching start times and end times!!?? umm, perhaps i have been thinking this wrong

I'll have a read through the manual again, and test this when i'm in the studio Monday morn.

Many thanks to everyone

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Old 04-18-2005, 11:21 AM
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Default Re: Regions madness! 6 edits creates 4200 regions!?

Hi,

Yes Matt, you were right. "Separate Region" operates On All Related Takes". this was it!? I hadn't noticed before, but this track did have matching start and end times on all audio takes as they were imported!! I had read this preference wrong initially!!

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