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Old 01-18-2025, 02:41 PM
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Clip gain/effects is not mixing tool. It is a tool for fixing a single clip. Mixing is still done in mixing window.
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Clip gain/effects is not mixing tool. It is a tool for fixing a single clip. Mixing is still done in mixing window.
I would completely disagree with that. Everything in ProTools can be a mixing tool. I'm constantly combining clip effects with automation.
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I would completely disagree with that. Everything in ProTools can be a mixing tool. I'm constantly combining clip effects with automation.
Maybe we agree to disagree and call it semantics.

Pro Tools is after all mimicing the good old fashioned tape machine and mixing console workflow, which means whatever you can do with a control surface is called "mixing" and whatever you cannot, is called "editing".
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You will be waiting a long time......jus sayin......been asking for a logical re-work of the clip bins for a decade....even offered to work for free, haha....
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Maybe we agree to disagree and call it semantics.

Pro Tools is after all mimicing the good old fashioned tape machine and mixing console workflow, which means whatever you can do with a control surface is called "mixing" and whatever you cannot, is called "editing".
Does it matter how you call it? Is it editing tool or mixing tool is irrelevant, it should work as expected in any case.

Besides, it's a mixing tool, absolutely. In general, you don't use effects in editing.

Besides 2, I never mix in the Mix window, you can do everything needed in the Edit window.

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Maybe we agree to disagree and call it semantics.

Pro Tools is after all mimicing the good old fashioned tape machine and mixing console workflow, which means whatever you can do with a control surface is called "mixing" and whatever you cannot, is called "editing".
I'd say clip effects broke that paradigm. We use them for mixing.
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Clip gain/effects is essentially re-recording the original take, which is editing. Just like splicing tape, it is editing. You set it and forget it, and do the mixing with the faders.

Again, we can agree to call it semantics. But back in the day nobody questioned this concept of changing source material being "editing" and using the source material to sum it up being "mixing".
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Clip gain/effects is essentially re-recording the original take, which is editing. Just like splicing tape, it is editing. You set it and forget it, and do the mixing with the faders.

Again, we can agree to call it semantics. But back in the day nobody questioned this concept of changing source material being "editing" and using the source material to sum it up being "mixing".
This is just straight up wrong. Mixing involves any manipulation or volume changing of audio material. Whether that happens pre or post fader, it’s still mixing. Clip gain or clip effects is not solely editing. Nobody works in tape anymore. The ideologies of decades ago have evolved.
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Clip gain/effects is essentially re-recording the original take, which is editing. Just like splicing tape, it is editing. You set it and forget it, and do the mixing with the faders.

Again, we can agree to call it semantics. But back in the day nobody questioned this concept of changing source material being "editing" and using the source material to sum it up being "mixing".
Ah, now I understand your point. You are making a distinction between non-destructive and destructive editing.

But I would say that is it destructive or non-destructive editing – if we speak about adding effects to a clip – it's commonly understood as mixing.

Non-destructive editing is a bit misleading term.

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Ah, now I understand your point. You are making a distinction between non-destructive and destructive editing.

But I would say that is it destructive or non-destructive editing – if we speak about adding effects to a clip – it's commonly understood as mixing.

Non-destructive editing is a bit misleading term.
Yeah. In 2024 anything you can use to get to the end objective is a mixing tool. I just think clip effects can accelerate that process. It would be very dependent on the project and how you use it but it's an underutilized feature that could be a lot more powerful and useful if Avid expanded on it.
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