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Old 02-28-2007, 09:44 AM
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Default Behringer BCF2000 <-> PT, MIDI problems

Hello guys,
A few months ago I had some problems with my FCB2000. I never got it to work the way it should and now, after a few months I got the thing back out of the closet and started off again.
Today I got to the point where I was a few months ago:
almost everything was working, the only thing dat didn't work were the fader/rotary knobs. Moving the fader with my mouse in ProTools did move my fader on the BCF. Vice Versa it didn't, moving the fader on the BCF didn't changed anything (somethimes it did changed a little bit after a while, but not correct) in PT. The mute/solo/etc knobs worked fine!
(see: http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showt...highlight=bcf)

Now I had this working as I had a few months ago, I bought myself a MIDI interface and some MIDI cables. Hooked the BCF up to the interface and the interface to the computer (USB). Put my BCF in S-1 (instead of U-1) and started PT. According to the LED's on the interface the BCF was sending MIDI data when I was moving the fader. However, in PT, nothing happened. But again, the other way around it did work: when moving the fader in PT with my mouse, the fader on the BCF started moving along.
So the BCF was sending MIDI out and recieving MIDI, but for some reason PT does not recieve the data (I think). I have it set up correctly in the peripherals in PT.
Connecting the MIDI out of the BCF to the MIDI in on my DIGI001 and adjusting this in the peripherals doesn't make any difference.

Does anybody know what might be the problem? I'm not a MIDI-expert and got lost again in my Behringer BCF2000...
It really doesn't matter to me whether or not you can help me with the MIDI option, or the USB option. Both are not working correctly and I just want to find a way to make it work.
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Old 02-28-2007, 01:45 PM
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Default Re: Behringer BCF2000 <-> PT, MIDI problems

I now found out that PT is actually getting SOME data from the BCF:
When I turn a rotary knob of the BCF and wait for about 20 sec, the panning in PT will change. A normal knob (eg. solo) however doesn't do anything (not even after 2 minuters).

PT is also telling me every 10 secs:
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Pro Tools is unable to communicate with HUI. Power-cycle HUI and check its connections. Note, if HUI is not in use, update the peripherals dialog to prevent further warnings
Everything is connected OK I guess and there's nothing wrong with the configurations in the peripherals dialog. PT is getting something in, like I said, because the panning is changing. Sending data to the BCF is not the problem, that's working fine. There's just something wrong with recieving the data....



Edit: now I just read this on the Behringer support site:
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BabyHUI Mode> Pro Tools (and others): This is the emulation mode for (some versions) of Pro Tools! This is also a more basic alternative to the Mackie Control Emulation Mode (for Cubase/Nuendo).
I'm using Pro Tools 6.4 with a DIGI001. Can this be the problem? Is 6.4 one of the versions that is unable to work with the BCF2000?
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Old 03-01-2007, 03:43 AM
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Default Re: Behringer BCF2000 <-> PT, MIDI problems

I just got the BCF set up to work with Cubase LE. In Cubase it's also not working, there appears to be a huge amount of latency somewhere, because when I move a fader in Cubase or on the BCF, the corresponding fader starts moving to this point approximately 30-60secs later...

I've got a P4, Windows XP Service Pack 2, 2,80GHz, 0,99GB
That shouldn't be the problem. But all my USB connections are the old versions, I don't have a USB 2.0 connection on my PC, can this be the problem? (I thought I read somewhere that the BCF should work with USB 1.0 as well as USB 2.0, but I can be wrong).
The MIDI interface I use is an ESI M4U.

Somebody please?
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Old 03-01-2007, 03:58 PM
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Default Re: Behringer BCF2000 <-> PT, MIDI problems

Basically, I won't be much help but I have a BCF working as well as it does (I think) via USB. I'm running a Dell P4 2.4, PT V7.1 on MBox 1.

Yes, it works in Baby HUI mode. Haven't made any attempt with MIDI. I don't get any noticable latency on moving faders, haven't noticed (tried???) with pans.

Have you updated the Behringer driver to the latest version (V1.10)? I just noticed there's an updated MIDI USB driver V1.1.1.1 for XP/2000.

Is there a chance that the USB is sharing an IRQ assignment with something that would cause the latency?

If you record automation with the BCF, does it record the moves correctly in time even though the PT GUI lags? Is the GUI latency any better if you take some load off of it (don't scroll, no send faders, etc.)?
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Old 03-02-2007, 04:11 AM
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Default Re: Behringer BCF2000 <-> PT, MIDI problems

I did update my BCF to 1.10 and have the newest driver installed on my pc.

This is what i get when recording automation:
[image]http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1484/test2bcfsg5.jpg[/image]

The first track is automation recorded with my mouse, the second track is the same movement (following the first fader on my BCF) with the second fader on my BCF, so this should give almost the same result, but, as you can see, it doesnt...

Can you explain what the PT GUI is? And where can I check the IRQ, never heard of that either....
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Old 03-02-2007, 04:25 PM
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Sorry for the jargon. PT GUI = Pro Tools Graphical User Interface. Basically what's on your screen when Pro Tools is launched. Drawing that stuff occupies resources; when the resources run low, something's gotta give. The display, the application functionality or both. Do you have send meters turned on, scrolling turned on, any other of the fun stuff that changes the picture on your screen?

Yup, the pic of the automation values on track 2 only vaguely resemble track 1. It looks like they change at roughly the same times, but stutter.

As far as the IRQ situation, I think it will show only in the BIOS. I'm not geek enough (and I use "geek" with the utmost respect!) to talk you through this. Perhaps a Google search and a light read of the results would help, or perhaps one of the old hands can jump in on that. In brief, the IRQ channels are the pathways that the commands and signals use to go in and out of the various parts of the machine. If the channel the BCF is on has lots of other traffic, you'll potentially get a "traffic jam". Sometimes the IRQs can be changed, sometimes they can't AFAIK.

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Old 03-04-2007, 03:20 AM
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Default Re: Behringer BCF2000 <-> PT, MIDI problems

Thanks for the reply.
There's no extra stuff turned on in PT, just the regular picture.
I'm gonna do a search on IRQ now, maybe somebody over here can help me to?
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