$20,000 BUDGET

[GUERILLA]

Can anyone give me a few setups centered around a digi 002r. My budget is around $20,000
I plan on using a mac.Thanks for any help

[pk_hat]

What exactly do you want to do? You're not giving us much to go with here and $20k could mean purhasing a lot of gear you don't really need. Many people here can record great quality stuff for less than half of that, so please elaborate beyond wanting a Mac and 002R.

[GUERILLA]

Were going to be recording alot of blues bands,R&B,and some hip hop.
Basically im asking If you had a $20,000 budget what would you do.

[Rail Jon Rogut]

Well, do you have a room for tracking, a headphone system, any microphones.. or is the $20k all inclusive? Is the computer going to be in the same room as the musicians? Is this for demos or finished product? Does the $20k also include keyboards and sound modules? Are you going to be recording multiple musicians at the same time (blues -- I'd hope so).. if so, how many?

Rail

[mersisblue]

all prices taken from sweetwater Zine

4 2108 dual mic pres A UA piece solid state goes for 1500 = 6,000

1 2610 tube version of above = 2,200

2 LA2A 2600 = 5,200

1 alesis Ai3 = 400

1 d112 = 200

6 sm57 79 = 574

1 c100 twin pack = 279

1 c414 stereo set = 1800

2 country man DT85 179 = 358

2 pro co CB1 50 = 100

1 UAD 1 = 899

1 vst to rtas = 99

1 pr of alesis MKII active = 399

1 4 channel presonus headphone amp = 99

1 AKG K240 headphones =99

3 sony mdr 7506 100 = 300

dbx patchbay = 130

4 furman pl8 100 = 400

AND I '[d say the remaining 400 or so goes to mic stands or something ................

of course i did not take into consideration cables shipping racks gobos accoustic treatment bla bla bla


I've got way too much time on my hands

oh p[lease let me know what you think....

[pk_hat]

Were going to be recording alot of blues bands,R&B,and some hip hop.
Basically im asking If you had a $20,000 budget what would you do.

I won't go into price details, but based on what your goal is, here's my opinion. Of course, we're assuming you have a good space for a live room and control room, which you should consider treating for better acoustics.

1- www.realtraps.com

you'll figure this one out in no time.

2- I would consider a good board, new or used, nothing too fancy. A simple 16 or 24 channel with flexible routing. Look into a Mackie 24-8 or even a used Soundcraft (prefered - better preamps and eq). Look into the Soundcraft Spirit M-Series (like an M12), you can still get em new for about $800.

3- balanced patchbay

4-good quality cables (Mogami, etc)

5-good preamps, how many depending on the number of simultaneous signals entering ProTools. If you go with a board, consider the preamps included. Perhaps a few extra UA units would do (610, 2-610, 6176, etc.), or Vintech Dual72 unit, a Distressor (by Empirical Labs), etc.

Even if you got just one really good one, you'd be doing yourself a favor.

6- Good AD/DA converters, such as an Apogee Rosetta 800.

7- Good monitors. I'm all for the Alesis M1mk2 Actives, I have them and think they're wondeful, but with a $20k budget, I may step it up to Dynaudio BM6A's. For this type of music, also consider the KRK V6 or V8.

8- Keys and sound modules are very subjective, as with anything else, though you can't go wrong with a Roland XV-3080 (even used, $600), a Yamaha Motif rack ($1000) for bread and butter sounds. Pair that with an 88-key weighted controller and you're golden. There's new Kurzweil on the block, 88 weighted keys with the PC-2 sound engine for $1199, it's called the PC1-X.
Alternatively, a Roland XV-88 graces any studio with beauty and power (used around $1200-1500)

9- Akai MPC 1000 for your hip-hop needs. A great tool but not necessary as you can always trigger the sounds from a sampler and the keyboard. That's all up to you and what you think your clients may prefer. Good samples are what's important, not how you trigger them.

10- Reason 2.5

11- Ableton Live

12- a good chair.

my $0.02 ($0.47 canadian).

[A2D D2A]

Were going to be recording alot of blues bands,R&B,and some hip hop.
Basically im asking If you had a $20,000 budget what would you do.

Truthfully? Try to get more money.
You have named 2 different types of requirements (I'll put hip hop and R&B together but they can be different) that really require different environments.
Blues is going to require a good live space to play in if it's to be done right, hip hop requires certain electronic toys to do it right.
Trying to capture blues with a good sound is going to hit you on the mic and the pres that you feed through.
You can generally tell if a person does hip hop or just thinks they do by the gear they recommend, it's no different than certain guitar cabs for certain sounds, so know how functional a synth is before you buy it.
The same is true of all types of electronic music.
Not trying to put anyone down but most people run a minimalistic type setup that they force to be functional.
That's ok except when you are trying to cater to others.
People definitely expect working you with you to be a smooth transition.
If $20k has to cover your total setup, you will end up cutting some corners that may slow down traffic to your door.
Now if you are talking about putting some gear in a room and doing some recording then that's a different story, but you made it sound like you want to build a functional facility to record others.
You probably need to give more detail in exactly what you have and are trying to achieve.

[rockridge]

Were going to be recording alot of blues bands,R&B,and some hip hop...

Get a DAT machine and a couple of good mikes... seriously, saying you have so much money to spend is just not the way to begin.

What you're really asking is, " Hey, i got all this cash... tell me what to do, cause i don't what to figure it out myself."

[hurdy gurdy]

Is it GORILLA or GUERILLA warfare? (couldn't resist).
Rail brings up some great points to consider AND heck when you think about it getting a "decked out" G5 with plenty of RAM and disk(s) space (and related trinkets) and the 002(R) there goes 25 percent of your budget right there. Then monitors, mics etc...Geez, that kind of DOUGH sure don't go very far- but you can get a helluva start.
Enjoy spending that money!(sounds like fun to me)
LB.

[OneMadSon]

I just spent a year doing this. I do rock and folk bands and studio project work. All my gear is in one big room but I can run cables to other rooms if desired. I already had several guitars, cheap mics, 8 track, headphone amp, headphones, cables mic stands, bass, bass rig, piano, plus a Line6 POD and also a Line 6 Delay unit and some cheap compressors and effects rack units. Here's where I'm at roughly with the past year:

DAW
G4 with a dual hardrives
flat screen monitor
Digi 002
Total: $6,500

Monitors: Mackie HR824 $1150

Instruments:

Drum Kit: $1,000
Keyboard $750


Mics:
Pair of AKG C414's $1700
two Shure 57s $200
Shure 52A Kick mic: $180
AKG c4000 $435
Rode NTK: $500
Shure Green Bullet: $100


Avalon M5 Preamp - $1500
Distressor - $1,350
DBX Patchbay - $100
External Back up drive - $200 (i think)

Probably another $1,000 easy for "miscellaneous".

At least a $1,000 for beer

Pretty much all I'm considering getting at this point is a good AD/DA converter or better word clock (couple grand?), some RNC compressors, some more channels of mic pre's, some better keyboards. That will easily burn through any extra cash. And that doesn't include any money to improve your room.

Its been a lot of money and time but I sure get some nice sounds.