Upgrade from PT11 to PT12 Cost

[ArKay99]

Originally Posted by Tim R.

My impression is that if you ever let your "Upgrade/support Plan" expire, whatever version you are currently on becomes perpetual in it's current state.

So in effect you are still always owning a perpetual license, just not necessarily perpetual updates.

Then, down the line, if you want to get back on the train, you'd have to revert to a "Subscription Plan" or purchase a new system.

As far as "leasing" or "Subscribing" it is definitely the way of the future. Everyone I've spoken with (all professionals) that have subscription software (ie Adobe) is happy with the process.

IMO (not that I claim to know coding) the theory that AVID could do more incremental feature implementation makes sense from the standpoint that they could suss out potential conflicts more easily and maintain more reliability.

I see what you're saying, but the subscription doesn't feel comfortable to me as both a software AND hardware user. The hardware is completely specific to the software, i.e. I can't go out and purchase another DAW and have it work to my HDX card. And as I said, I don't mind paying for upgrades, i.e. integer upgrades... 11 to 12, for example. On top of that, my hardware is 'out of warranty' by now, so, what would a 'support plan' do for me? BTW, Adobe sucks too.

[propower]

Originally Posted by ArKay99

The hardware is completely specific to the software, i.e. I can't go out and purchase another DAW and have it work to my HDX card.

What a great point.

[Bill Denton]

Originally Posted by Tim R.

My impression is that if you ever let your "Upgrade/support Plan" expire, whatever version you are currently on becomes perpetual in it's current state.

So in effect you are still always owning a perpetual license, just not necessarily perpetual updates.

Then, down the line, if you want to get back on the train, you'd have to revert to a "Subscription Plan" or purchase a new system.

As far as "leasing" or "Subscribing" it is definitely the way of the future. Everyone I've spoken with (all professionals) that have subscription software (ie Adobe) is happy with the process.

IMO (not that I claim to know coding) the theory that AVID could do more incremental feature implementation makes sense from the standpoint that they could suss out potential conflicts more easily and maintain more reliability.

IMO (not that I claim to know coding) the theory that AVID could do more incremental feature implementation makes sense from the standpoint that they could suss out potential conflicts more easily and maintain more reliability.

I do know programming, and you are absolutely correct...

As with anything else, the fewer the variables, the easier it is to test and trouble-shoot.

No matter how hard we try, maintaining effective communication among programmers during the development process is almost impossible.

Suppose you have an existing application, with five programmers working on different features in parallel, with a single release date, it is almost impossible to test for issues introduced by interactions between the new features before the common release date.

But, when programmers are working in a serial fashion, with a series of "when it's finished" release dates "feature 1" can be released and any issues that come up "in the wild" can be located and addressed before "feature 2" has finished its testing regimen.

All in all, it's a win-win for all involved...

[Bill Denton]

Originally Posted by ArKay99

I see what you're saying, but the subscription doesn't feel comfortable to me as both a software AND hardware user. The hardware is completely specific to the software, i.e. I can't go out and purchase another DAW and have it work to my HDX card. And as I said, I don't mind paying for upgrades, i.e. integer upgrades... 11 to 12, for example. On top of that, my hardware is 'out of warranty' by now, so, what would a 'support plan' do for me? BTW, Adobe sucks too.

I'm afraid you have an "expectation" problem...

Some people bought a TDM system a week before HDX was released. It came with a specific version of Pro Tools HD, on specific Apple and Windows operating systems.

If it didn't meet their requirements at that specific time, they should not have purchased it.

Avid implicitly promised it would work with a particular version of Pro Tools, running on specific operating systems. That's it.

Because Avid had a history of having newer versions of Pro Tools work with older hardware, and of providing updates to allow it to function with later operating systems, some people may have developed certain expectations.

But, Avid never promised Pro Tools would be forward or backward compatible with anything, and they are under no legal or moral obligation to do so.

It's not a pleasant situation to be in, but you can't blame Avid for whatever expectations you may have developed.

I learned a long time ago that if I want to see a newer or faster or shinier computer released tomorrow, all I have to do is buy the current model today. And that's just the way things work...

[Bob Olhsson]

Originally Posted by Bill Denton

...when programmers are working in a serial fashion, with a series of "when it's finished" release dates "feature 1" can be released and any issues that come up "in the wild" can be located and addressed before "feature 2" has finished its testing regimen.

All in all, it's a win-win for all involved...

Combine that with all customers being on telephone support and they'll know about issues "in the wild" much faster than in the past.

I've had incredible phone service experiences from Apple about iTunes running on my PC and Dell about a problem with my workstation computer. It's a whole different thing than trying to write up a problem and communicate by email. The person on the phone can ask questions and has a database of known problems at hand among with work-arounds.

[zedhed]

Originally Posted by nickthepick

Life is NOT like a box of chocolates. Life is just a subscription.

Only to those who choose to subscribe to religion.

Carry on....

[Barry Johns]

Originally Posted by Tim R.

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....this thread is getting more and more like Fox News...

What, you mean an inconvenient truth? You mean it actually had fact verses inflated rhetoric that has no basis of fact?

[TOM@METRO]

Originally Posted by Bill Denton

I learned a long time ago that if I want to see a newer or faster or shinier computer released tomorrow, all I have to do is buy the current model today. And that's just the way things work...

This reminds me of a particular computer store here in LA a few years back. A giant sign on the back wall said...

"Obsolescence, It's that thing that happens as you leave the store with your purchases."

They are no longer there though.

[YYR123]

Originally Posted by TOM@METRO

"Obsolescence, It's that thing that happens as you leave the store with your purchases."

They are no longer there though.

Nice

[writeroxie]

Originally Posted by nigelpry

1) People buying an upgrade to PT11 now get 12 for free when it comes out,
2) Pro Tools 12 is not available yet,
3) You don't have to do anything yet,
4) You don't have to anything when Pro Tools 12 is released,
5) You do have to make a decision about upgrading Pro Tools by end of 2015,
6) The upgrade to PT12 costs $199,
7) The upgrade includes a renewable support plan at $199 annually,
8) If you don't upgrade, your PT licence will be stuck at PT11 unupgradable,

9) If you later decide you want a newer version of PT ...
a) You could to buy a new licence at $899,
b) Or you could 'rent' a licence, but if you stop renting it stops working,
b) You'll have two licences,
c) One able to run PT10/11,
d) The other able to run whatever is current at the time of purchase, plus possibly older versions (for example, when first available we've been told that the new licence bundle will include licences for 10, 11 and 12),
e) That new licence, which includes support plan, will also run any newer versions released while the support plan is active,
f) The same rules apply to that new licence regarding renewing the support plan, if you don't keep renewing it annually, it stops being upgradable.

Nigel, I believe it was you concerned with the future for Educational PT license holders? I am one as well. I work at a college. I asked Avid a few months back if I could upgrade from the EDU license and they said there were no paths to upgrade from the EDU. So if that's dead in the water, I'm now considering buying a "full" PT 11/10 vanilla bundle license now. If I buy from a dealer (always cheaper), I want to know if I will I get a free upgrade to 12 when it comes out, and also curious if that buys me a year of the Support Plan too? Or is that only if purchased through Avid?