So, no renewal. We stay at 2020.

[JFreak]

Originally Posted by Righty27

Once again it’s the age-old balance between a million users of a $1 app or one using a $1M system

There is also this age-old question of how much support that one $1M customer needs compared to million $1 customers... If we simply talk about money it is perfectly clear Avid does not care about $1 customers and prefers $1M customers.

[cmbourget]

Originally Posted by JFreak

There is also this age-old question of how much support that one $1M customer needs compared to million $1 customers... If we simply talk about money it is perfectly clear Avid does not care about $1 customers and prefers $1M customers.

It would make a much simpler forum...

[CygnusX-1Bk2]

Originally Posted by cmbourget

https://new.steinberg.net/nuendo/new...6HJN45U-GHZ6I3

To your previous response, no hurt perceived.

The GUI for Nuendo looks ok, not too dissimilar to Wavelab (which I haven't used for a while myself but I have friends who do). It's the functionality and user experience is what will slow me down.

I did let my plan lapse at one point a while ago then reinstated after enough time to have the reinstatement be "cheaper" than paying renewals during the span.

Buying another reinstatement from a 3rd party is not a bad idea to sit on for a while, but the improvements since then have been good for me. I don't seem to have the same kinds of bugs that others seem to encounter. My problems have been more hardware related, especially when I tried to add a used Omni to my HD IO and 192. It didn't play nice with everything else so I pulled it out and went with a different solution.

[cmbourget]

Originally Posted by CygnusX-1Bk2

To your previous response, no hurt perceived.

The GUI for Nuendo looks ok, not too dissimilar to Wavelab (which I haven't used for a while myself but I have friends who do). It's the functionality and user experience is what will slow me down.

I did let my plan lapse at one point a while ago then reinstated after enough time to have the reinstatement be "cheaper" than paying renewals during the span.

Buying another reinstatement from a 3rd party is not a bad idea to sit on for a while, but the improvements since then have been good for me. I don't seem to have the same kinds of bugs that others seem to encounter. My problems have been more hardware related, especially when I tried to add a used Omni to my HD IO and 192. It didn't play nice with everything else so I pulled it out and went with a different solution.

Yes, I gave you this link for your information, just for a look. I see that you are a very active specialist in image music (especially for video games). The busier we are, the more active we are, the more we have to be careful and conservative on the systems, and not to migrate if possible, and not to modify the configurations on impulses. Sometimes the best changes are the ones we don't.

[b mcgibney]

Well I am decidedly in the non-commercial camp when it comes to using protools. I rarely do video and record mainly real instruments with the odd virtual synth.

I think there would be a value for AVID to make a version for folks like me. I know I probably use 20% of all PT is capable of. The biggest problem is that as time goes on versions of PT will not work on evolving OS's of newer machines.
I was pissed off at APPLE when they abandoned Firewire. Sure the new interfaces were faster but how many people really needed all that extra speed.

I've run big sessions and firewire bus speed was never a problem.

SO Avid, come up with something between the free version and Vanilla that does not cost almost $300 dollars CAD (yes they tax it) and keeps folks like me in the Protools game.

FWIW I have tried Reaper Logic and Cubase and if I was starting over I might go to one of them but as a now 60 y/o I find PT most analogous to a tape based workflow.

[JFreak]

FireWire is compatible with ThunderBolt, but sure I also hate the adapter hell.

[Bill Rigby]

Avid seriously had better get with the program.
1. The internal bussing of Davinci Resolve Studio 17 and Nuendo 11 both cope with straightforwad 7.1.4 and up without any workarounds.
2. Nuendo has NATIVE integration with Dolby Atmos Home and Netflix based tools for compliance.
Not only this, but it has a native light version of spectral layers (similar to Izotope RX) and ARA compliance.
3. The cost of Davinci Resolve Studio for life is the equivalent to a Pro Tools Ultimate yearly subscription. The fairlight system with Protools keyboard shortcuts and similar smart tool makes transition a breeze.
I have been a user of Pro Tools since it was Sound Tools on Audi Media cards, through 888s ,Nubus, Sample Cell, Mixplus ,HD and HDX.
When my next subscription is due, I , like many of my musical and post cohorts, am seriously thinking of jumping ship to a platform that does not rely on being the reputation of being the"standard".
My opinion is that Tools has been resting on its laurels for to long and the other platforms features and costs have overtaken the value for money that Avid supplies.
The standard is market driven and Avid is seriously dragging the chain.
If tools wants to continue being this "standard", they had better up their game.

[Jazzbass56]

Originally Posted by cmbourget

(Google translate :)

Changing DAWs is really a long adventure, at least for me. I learned about PT and I have been familiar with Cubase for 3 or 4 years, but always with the regret of not having kept only one DAW. But it was impossible for me. I need my Melodyne and therefore to browse freely thanks to ARA. I need, in MIDI, expression maps. I need the macros. I need multiple marker tracks, and higher, visually richer tracks. I need auto solo on selected track I need my Softube Console 1 and Console fader. PT is not far away, Avid could develop that, but it's silence.

I bought and tried Reaper for 1 month, really trying to see its qualities. There are many and we discover extraordinary elements. But I got discouraged. The door is so open that you lose your orientation, I think. It's like we have to redo a DAW for ourselves. I do not have time.

I tried Studio One, but I hate the interface. It's silly, but it bothers me, especially the mixer. I feel like I'm in a game. And there's not enough contrast between the different elements (the menu and the edit space, things like that). It is not for me, despite the qualities we are talking about. If I'm 8 hours a day in front of a Daw ...

I bought and used Samplitude for 3 months. There, too, there are some incredible elements. First, monitoring, unbeatable. I also find that the audio processing is better, the VST prints are superior, and especially that the audio recordings are superior. I don't know why and I don't want to start a war over it. But, anyway, Samplitude is filled with bugs and inconsistencies, it's an endless maze of detours and subcategories, with unclear functions and functional quirks that put me off.

So Cubase won. The biggest lack of Cubase is the gain clip. It's hard to live without a gain clip! I don't understand Steinberg to ignore this. Also some stupidities in the interface, like elevators as thin as a pin. But hey, we adapt, because Cubase offers a lot, with relatively few bugs. I honestly find that its monitoring (without being Samplitude) is superior to PT, at least to PT Vanilla. It is also more robust in resource management.

Still, PT has considerable advantages. Even on the MIDI side, where its reputation is bad, it is very good, especially in real time and in terms of tempo and measures. I really like. But overall, he does not offer enough and has sat down on his position. I would have liked so much ....

I use Nuendo, and it has clip gain, so does Cubase, unless I'm missing something, but in Cubase, you go to the top of the clip and pull the little arrow in the center up or down, I use an AVID Dock and have this programed with my jog shuttle wheel and Vertical touch strip

[FunkzzaJ]

Originally Posted by GoButtonGuy

Heavy Pro Tools users are typically established pros in the post, broadcast and recording industries. Nothing to do with age and everything to do with application. In fact I've hired twenty somethings where a key component is the use of Pro Tools. If one needs session compatibility there is no choice. It's the standard. For example when we do something that needs sound to picture and send it to Marin or Wellington it's in a PT session format that is specific for that house and or project. Many smaller producers also need to send compatible session formats particularly when you lock to picture.

At the risk of sounding elitist most composers or part time/hobby users don't absolutely need Pro Tools. Many on this forum could do what they do with another tool. In fact many name composers, people that we work with on a regular basis (back when there was work...) are no longer using it for composition. There are other tools that many find have a more productive or suitable workflow.

It's more about how you use the tools you have. If you don't need session compatibility or interact with producers that don't use Pro Tools there are plenty of other quality tools out there. On forums like this so much is lost on what tool rather than what we do with the tools. The tools are a means to an end not the the end.

you are probably right
/T

[capt kirk]

Im always hoping they'd split it into 2 products, both with everything, EXCEPT one would be purely stereo buss, with everything. and then there'd be a version with all the surround buss stuff. simple. each version is identical, except for surround bussing/panning. thats it. charge 300 for the stereo version, and 1000 for the surround version......Boom done.