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Old 05-24-2021, 10:09 AM
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Default MC/Davincy , AAF, only partial relinking

Call for help.

Lowest-budget short. Camera sound and boom synchronized in Davinci.
Imported into Media Composer.

AAF plus all the MXF files from MC in my PT11 does not work. Just empty clips.
Relinking not fully possible, only 42 of 288 clips can be relinked.

New approach :
AAF from Davinci and folder of all Davinci audio files (.wav).
Same, only partial relinking.

New approach :
Embedded AAF from Davinci -> Assertion Error.
Could not complete your request because Assertion in "..\ ..\ FF\ Audio\ FF_AudioFile.cpp", line 1000.

New approach :
Non-embedded AAF from Davinci and both folder of MXF and audio files.
Only partial relinking (25% success).

I am clueless.
Is there a way to tell MC to convert all MXFs to .wav or some way to "relink and copy" from Davinci ?

Note :
Tried all relinking criteria.
Name and duration, Name and nothing, Name and ... , File Id and duration, File ID and format, ... .
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Old 05-24-2021, 08:40 PM
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Is there a way to tell MC to convert all MXFs to .wav or some way to "relink and copy" from Davinci ?

Note :
Tried all relinking criteria.
A workaround suggestion to get you working,
Export a Video only AAF of your Davinci timeline
Export the full length (same TC start as the video AAF)of a single audio track out to a .wav file. Make sure the export settings are set to the MC Project settings.
Import the .wav file into MC and edit into the MC timeline with the audio Mark In at the correct TC.
Repeat for all tracks required.
In MC strip the areas of silence out to leave you with audio clips that can be easily moved with the video clips in editing.

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Old 05-25-2021, 07:47 AM
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Default Re: MC/Davincy , AAF, only partial relinking

I had a film edited in Da Vinci last year.
An absolute nightmare!
Empty clips, clips randomly moved around the timeline, it nearly broke me.
Never again, until someone convinces me they've fixed the problems with AAF.
I ended up getting a trial of Ediload and rebuilding it from the EDL.
Good luck.
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Old 05-25-2021, 08:48 AM
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If you're having trouble with Avid and not just Resolve then yes assembling from the EDL might be the best best. Look at Kraken or EdiLoad. EdiLoad used to offer a rental, maybe they still do. Have the production foot the bill. Even for a low budget they should.
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Old 05-26-2021, 01:00 AM
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I had a film edited in Da Vinci last year.
An absolute nightmare!
Never again, until someone convinces me they've fixed the problems with AAF.
I am not trying to convince anyone. The suggestion was to get around the AAF, Export each track separately to a format MC and or Pro Tools can import. The whole track so the exported file has a known input time that can be spotted in Pro Tools. Not elegant but as close to bulletproof as you can get IMO.
FWIW I have used every version of Resolve since 2011. I have never manipulated sound in it and probably never will.
With video only AAF's back and forth between Resolve and MC I have not had an issue. So these days I use Resolve to import and transcode my camera files (Audio and Video)and making a timeline for each cards media. Then send an individual clips AAF (using Resolves Avid template ) directly into my Avid MediaFiles. This is quicker than Linking the original media into MC and transcoding it there.
After editing in MC I can AAF a video only cut timeline back to the initial Resolve Project without media. As the MC clips have the names from the initial Resolve export Resolve automatically links back to the original Camera media,
I send the MC audio cuts edit directly to Pro Tools. Resolve I import a final mix bounce from Pro Tools.
Touch wood this is a reliable workflow for me, working in a non shared media environment and with all 3 systems in house. http://duc.avid.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Old 05-26-2021, 02:39 AM
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What version on Resolve was used? I found that the later versions worked much better. If the multi-camera tool or how ever it's called was used, this will simply rename the video and linked audio clips, leaving gaps in the export.
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Sorry Andrew, I'm not having a go at you.
I just had a very bad experience that cost me time, money and a lot of headaches and I was venting a bit.
I don't think Da Vinci is a viable option for AAF transfer to Pro Tools, it just doesn't work reliably.
It's a great shame, because Picture Editors seem to love it.
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Sorry Andrew, I'm not having a go at you.
I just had a very bad experience that cost me time, money and a lot of headaches and I was venting a bit.
I don't think Da Vinci is a viable option for AAF transfer to Pro Tools, it just doesn't work reliably.
It's a great shame, because Picture Editors seem to love it.
I kind of think the non working aaf is intentional. Easy way to keep everything in resolve / fairlight.
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I kind of think the non working aaf is intentional. Easy way to keep everything in resolve / fairlight.
IMO you are wrong.
I suspect the first poster here with this "Is there a way to tell MC to convert all MXFs to .wav" is close to the issue. I believe file handling and naming between the 3 programs creates the problem.

To solve I open my media in Resolve first and delivering the clips as MXF's files with an AAF to MC. I then get reliable AAF's from Resolve to MC and onto Pro Tools.
Why?? I suspect it is as simple that Resolve names the AV MXF files it exports and MC has only ever known those clips by the names Resolve gives them so file naming is not an issue.

BM brought DaVinci and immediately decided to build in their own Edit program and then levered both Fairlight and Fusion into it. Understandably that even with the best intentions fixing this AAF fix will take time.
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Understandably that even with the best intentions fixing this AAF fix will take time.
Andrew
This from the fixed notes in this release with the latest Resolve 17.2.2 released yesterday.
"Addressed an issue with missing iXML data when exporting audio AAFs."
maybe helpful for those receiving AAF's from Resolve.

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