[elcamino]

thanks chris ( hows brighton nowadys?, i remember the zap nights with onu fondly )
that is most useful , i loaded my old multi live/reason template
with the PBE set as you described and everything is back to purring along nicely
( apart from the g5 fans of course...)

oncee again props to all the people here for their help
where would we be without the duc.....