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Old 06-15-2021, 04:02 AM
Bushpig Bushpig is offline
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Default Older TDM style "voice stealing" workflow an advantage?

Hi All,

Just wanted to pop in here to see if a wee crusade I've been on for a long time, and which may have some legs again, has any appeal to you Post guys and girls.

I'm a songwriter/composer who had a previous life as a producer and engineer (first Digidesign system - Sound Tools on Mac AND Atari circa 1988).

I'm a massive user of what I call the "voice stealing" workflow that is currently only possible using a TDM equipped system (see my sig below). If you aren't familiar with what this is, see my video in the thread linked below. When HDX systems were announced, I was mortified to find out that Avid had designed out this workflow by killing off assignable voices. Paul V from Avid engineering opened the conversation with me way back then, indicating that Avid were aware of these methods and that there were plans to re-implement them at some point (if you're interested in the history, see my further link in the main thread linked below).

I have long wondered why more Post operators didn't kick up a fuss when this change was made. I had always assumed (no experience mind you) that in post as in music production, having every single track using up a whole voice in the inevitably huge sessions you guys run, must be why sessions rapidly ran out of voiceable tracks.

Is it not the case in Post that sharing a voice(s) amongst multiple tracks that only play sporadically, would help alleviate voice limitations on HDX systems?

Obviously Avid are about to release the Hybrid Engine to lift the potential ceiling to remedy the overall HDX voice count issues (I'm aware of the previously abandoned attempt due to certain cards presenting problems), but still, assignable and sharable voices can't fail to be an advantage in any production environment as far as I can tell. No?


Anyway, thanks for reading this far, and if this discussion is of any value to any of you over here, please head over to this HDX forum thread where I'm discussing this in depth with Kyle Splittgerber.

https://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=415388&page=4

My contribution and Kyle's replies start at post #33, continuing through #36, and #50 so far.

Cheers all, and thanks for your time.

Steve Bush


PS: I am an HDX owner, but it remains sitting on the shelf unused, as I simply can't see myself letting go of the beautiful "voice stealing/automagical comp" workflow I love so much.


My video and original short 2012 Paul V thread for reference:

https://youtu.be/O9na6N7WQD8
http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=316448


EDIT: New Video added 20th July 2021


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhhaXYqhhBI

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Last edited by Bushpig; 07-20-2021 at 01:52 AM.
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