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Jared_TL 04-14-2021 05:34 PM

MTRX/DADMAN output to multiple Spkr Outputs simultaneously with same stereo source?
 
I have scoured software/manuals to figure out how to create a "party mode" where I can output a stereo source to multiple stereo monitor destinations. Sources can be summed, but Spkrs appear to only be switched? Has anyone figured out how to do this? To be clear, for normal monitoring, I would only be using one set of monitors, but there are listening situations where I would like to fire up all the monitors just for fun. Has anyone done this - or have any idea how to make it work?


BTW, unrelated. If anyone is interested, I have created a "virtual MOM" device that allows you to have MIDI control over any of the functions that MOM can map to. I did this because I have 14 sources and I wanted to create a set of dedicated buttons for all 14 sources (and of course MOM only gives you three on a single layer). With MIDI control, one can use just about anything to access these functions - this would allow you to use Keyboard Maestro and a Streamdeck to create a new "MOM" device.



MTRX/DADMan and DAD MOM is a crazy powerful audio routing/monitor setup. The more I use it, the more I find it can do. It is amazing.

gives 04-14-2021 06:08 PM

Re: MTRX/DADMAN output to multiple Spkr Outputs simultaneously with same stereo sourc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jared_TL (Post 2599555)
I have scoured software/manuals to figure out how to create a "party mode" where I can output a stereo source to multiple stereo monitor destinations. Sources can be summed, but Spkrs appear to only be switched? Has anyone figured out how to do this? To be clear, for normal monitoring, I would only be using one set of monitors, but there are listening situations where I would like to fire up all the monitors just for fun. Has anyone done this - or have any idea how to make it work?


BTW, unrelated. If anyone is interested, I have created a "virtual MOM" device that allows you to have MIDI control over any of the functions that MOM can map to. I did this because I have 14 sources and I wanted to create a set of dedicated buttons for all 14 sources (and of course MOM only gives you three on a single layer). With MIDI control, one can use just about anything to access these functions - this would allow you to use Keyboard Maestro and a Streamdeck to create a new "MOM" device.



MTRX/DADMan and DAD MOM is a crazy powerful audio routing/monitor setup. The more I use it, the more I find it can do. It is amazing.

I have the same setup and this might be a good question for Jeff Komar Avid Product Specialist who helped me out a lot.. I have a 7.1.4 room coming online from my 5.1 room after I have all of the plans updated and waiting on some days to actually get it up and installed. All the gear is here now.

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BScout 04-14-2021 07:51 PM

Re: MTRX/DADMAN output to multiple Spkr Outputs simultaneously with same stereo sourc
 
2 ways I can think of:

1st option
Create a single speaker set (custom) with all your speakers. Then create a fold down matrix (custom) that sends L input to all the “left” speakers and “R” input to all “right speakers”. You can adjust the balance discrepancies between sets of speakers from the fold down level being sent to each. For your day-to-day, create “fold downs” for each set where input ONLY goes to one set.

Then you can flip between fold downs. Label fold downs accordingly.

2nd option
Create multiple monitors in ProMon. Your input sets and output sets already created are recallable as you build each monitor group. Each monitor acts independently so you can enable the same input on each and adjust levels out on each (but now each monitor goes to a different speaker set).
Mute/disengage non main monitor group when not in use.

I do a version of the 1st with my surround setup to send stereo to all (but all my speakers are already in a set)

I’d be interested in seeing your virtual MOM that’s midi based. Do you have that downloadable anywhere?

improvpwnd 04-14-2021 10:34 PM

Re: MTRX/DADMAN output to multiple Spkr Outputs simultaneously with same stereo sourc
 
A MIDIMOM? I am very interested as well.

nedd 04-15-2021 12:21 AM

Re: MTRX/DADMAN output to multiple Spkr Outputs simultaneously with same stereo sourc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jared_TL (Post 2599555)

BTW, unrelated. If anyone is interested, I have created a "virtual MOM" device

Is this Virtual MOM standalone or you need to have real MOM as well?

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creativecontrol 04-15-2021 12:08 PM

Re: MTRX/DADMAN output to multiple Spkr Outputs simultaneously with same stereo sourc
 
There's also a rogue app floating about the app store:
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mom/id...latform=iphone



Jeff

creativecontrol 04-15-2021 12:20 PM

Re: MTRX/DADMAN output to multiple Spkr Outputs simultaneously with same stereo sourc
 
BScout has the exact idea. Here's what I would do:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mza9y1kf8...YcyoryNUa?dl=0


Jeff


Quote:

Originally Posted by Jared_TL (Post 2599555)
I have scoured software/manuals to figure out how to create a "party mode" where I can output a stereo source to multiple stereo monitor destinations. Sources can be summed, but Spkrs appear to only be switched? Has anyone figured out how to do this? To be clear, for normal monitoring, I would only be using one set of monitors, but there are listening situations where I would like to fire up all the monitors just for fun. Has anyone done this - or have any idea how to make it work?


BTW, unrelated. If anyone is interested, I have created a "virtual MOM" device that allows you to have MIDI control over any of the functions that MOM can map to. I did this because I have 14 sources and I wanted to create a set of dedicated buttons for all 14 sources (and of course MOM only gives you three on a single layer). With MIDI control, one can use just about anything to access these functions - this would allow you to use Keyboard Maestro and a Streamdeck to create a new "MOM" device.



MTRX/DADMan and DAD MOM is a crazy powerful audio routing/monitor setup. The more I use it, the more I find it can do. It is amazing.


gives 04-15-2021 05:37 PM

Re: MTRX/DADMAN output to multiple Spkr Outputs simultaneously with same stereo sourc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jared_TL (Post 2599555)
I have scoured software/manuals to figure out how to create a "party mode" where I can output a stereo source to multiple stereo monitor destinations. Sources can be summed, but Spkrs appear to only be switched? Has anyone figured out how to do this? To be clear, for normal monitoring, I would only be using one set of monitors, but there are listening situations where I would like to fire up all the monitors just for fun. Has anyone done this - or have any idea how to make it work?


BTW, unrelated. If anyone is interested, I have created a "virtual MOM" device that allows you to have MIDI control over any of the functions that MOM can map to. I did this because I have 14 sources and I wanted to create a set of dedicated buttons for all 14 sources (and of course MOM only gives you three on a single layer). With MIDI control, one can use just about anything to access these functions - this would allow you to use Keyboard Maestro and a Streamdeck to create a new "MOM" device.



MTRX/DADMan and DAD MOM is a crazy powerful audio routing/monitor setup. The more I use it, the more I find it can do. It is amazing.


I totally agree!!

LukeHoward 04-16-2021 04:24 AM

Re: MTRX/DADMAN output to multiple Spkr Outputs simultaneously with same stereo sourc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by creativecontrol (Post 2599657)
There's also a rogue app floating about the app store:
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mom/id...latform=iphone

I'm still (nominally) maintaining it, any issues send to app support (one word) at lukktone dot com.

albee1952 04-16-2021 07:52 AM

Re: MTRX/DADMAN output to multiple Spkr Outputs simultaneously with same stereo sourc
 
Just my 2 cents; this is something I would never do because of all the phase and timing issues inherent in running multiple speakers with the same sound. I guess its 30+ years of live sound(IOW, this has way more chance of sounding bad than good):o

originalscottyg 04-16-2021 08:21 AM

Re: MTRX/DADMAN output to multiple Spkr Outputs simultaneously with same stereo sourc
 
I used to have to do this years ago with certain rap clients when the Meyer HD1s wouldn't go loud enough. It was easy with the Trident console we had, as the speaker set switches on the monitor section were latching. I heard that after I left that studio, the next guy they had turned the HD1s up so loud that they vibrated off the stands and fell onto the floor, which required being sent back to Meyer to be repaired. I heard that when they got them back, they tied them down to the stands with ratchet straps :D:D:D

Sorry for the OT post.

LukeHoward 04-16-2021 04:58 PM

Re: MTRX/DADMAN output to multiple Spkr Outputs simultaneously with same stereo sourc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by albee1952 (Post 2599724)
Just my 2 cents; this is something I would never do because of all the phase and timing issues inherent in running multiple speakers with the same sound. I guess its 30+ years of live sound(IOW, this has way more chance of sounding bad than good):o

Indeed. Pick one set of monitors and turn them up ;)

Although, I suppose, perhaps you have a set in the live room for band listening, RainbowStudio used to have a very nice pair of B&Ws for this.

Jared_TL 04-16-2021 09:34 PM

Re: MTRX/DADMAN output to multiple Spkr Outputs simultaneously with same stereo sourc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by creativecontrol (Post 2599658)
BScout has the exact idea. Here's what I would do:


Jeff


Thanks! I extrapolated from your example and got it working - it requires selecting a speaker set and then a folddown config. Using my little virtual Mom, I have those two buttons mapped to MIDI notes and via Keyboard Maestro can trigger it from one button on a Streamdeck. Very nice and super easy to set up!


I note several people saying that using two sets of speakers this way probably sounds bad... you are probably right. Anecdotally, this particular setup sounds awesome in my room... but again, haha, you are probably right. I'll do a bit more A/B'ing.


My nickname for the virtual MOM device is StepMOM. It does work very well... and it doesn't require a physical MOM. It shows up as a MOM in DADMan and I simply mapped the buttons to MIDI notes - it will listen to whatever MIDI controller you put in the config file. I am not sure what I will do with it... TBD!



Thanks!


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