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BasilF 09-27-2021 10:11 PM

A Strange Problem
 
Let's say that I create a tune. I work on it. I open up a different track to work things out and then bounce it to the main track. What has started to happen is that the bounced track is three 8th notes behind. Adjusting it is no problem but there's more. In the secondary track, if I bounce it to another track and then bounce that one to the main tune, there is no issue. It shows as being on the 1. I've been using PT since 2005. This is a new one. Any ideas?

Ben Jenssen 09-27-2021 11:34 PM

Re: A Strange Problem
 
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Originally Posted by BasilF (Post 2614684)
Let's say that I create a tune. I work on it. I open up a different track to work things out and then bounce it to the main track. What has started to happen is that the bounced track is three 8th notes behind. Adjusting it is no problem but there's more. In the secondary track, if I bounce it to another track and then bounce that one to the main tune, there is no issue. It shows as being on the 1. I've been using PT since 2005. This is a new one. Any ideas?

I find this very difficult to understand. It might be because of the way you use the word 'track'. Outside PT 'track' is often used for a song; a track on an album. In PT a track is a instrument, midi, audio, or aux track in a session. also; "bounce into the main tune", what do you mean. Could you clarify please?

BasilF 09-28-2021 09:21 AM

Re: A Strange Problem
 
Thanks for responding. Yea, "track" is confusing. You boot PT. You create a new project. We'll call it project A. You work on it. There may be something that you want to work out, like a solo or orchestration. For that, you create another project. In that one, when I bounce to the original project, it's off by three 8th notes. Yet, in the secondary project, if I bounce it to another track and then bounce THAT track to the original project, it's perfectly aligned on the 1.

JFreak 09-28-2021 09:32 AM

Re: A Strange Problem
 
Track is something that has a fader in a mix window. Session is something that has one or more tracks. Project is a session that is stored in the cloud.

Ben Jenssen 09-28-2021 09:33 AM

Re: A Strange Problem
 
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Originally Posted by BasilF (Post 2614712)
Thanks for responding. Yea, "track" is confusing. You boot PT. You create a new project. We'll call it project A. You work on it. There may be something that you want to work out, like a solo or orchestration. For that, you create another project. In that one, when I bounce to the original project, it's off by three 8th notes. Yet, in the secondary project, if I bounce it to another track and then bounce THAT track to the original project, it's perfectly aligned on the 1.

OK.
Are you careful that you select exactly the region that you want to bounce, in both bounce procedures? If you are, I'm out of ideas.

(Actually the term 'project' is also a bit of a problem. Of course we all work on projects all the time, but for those who are using Pro Tools First, it could be a cause for confusion, because: Avid, in their wisdom, decided that they would call the two different types of sessions that PTF can have, is called 'project' - it is stored in the cloud, and 'session' - that is stored on your harddisk.)

Robruce 09-28-2021 08:39 PM

Re: A Strange Problem
 
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Originally Posted by JFreak (Post 2614714)
Track is something that has a fader in a mix window. .... snip


Hmmm... check page 217 of the PT 2019 manual.

"Track" and "channel" are almost interchangeable terms, that's why there is some confusion.

This might be a more precise definition;

A "channel," or channel strip is the thing with the fader, it routes incoming and recorded audio and MIDI to and from a "track".

A channel strip also controls an Aux or Master fader instance.

A "track" is the audio or MIDI itself.

JFreak 09-28-2021 09:03 PM

Re: A Strange Problem
 
"Channel" is mono input or output. "Channel Strip" is just a marketing name for analog console equivalent of putting EQ and dynamics processing into single plugin.

"Track" also comes from analog world, from the days of us dinosaurs when we recorded audio to magnetic audio tape, thus one "channel" was recorded into a "track" of magnetic data.

Robruce 09-28-2021 09:06 PM

Re: A Strange Problem
 
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Originally Posted by JFreak (Post 2614769)
"Channel" is mono input or output. "Channel Strip" is just a marketing name for analog console equivalent of putting EQ and dynamics processing into single plugin.

"Track" also comes from analog world, from the days of us dinosaurs when we recorded audio to magnetic audio tape, thus one "channel" was recorded into a "track" of magnetic data.

Exactly. The track is the data, the channel is the path.

JFreak 09-28-2021 09:07 PM

Re: A Strange Problem
 
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Originally Posted by Robruce (Post 2614771)
Exactly. The track is the data, the channel is the path.

Yes, but my oversimplification of "something that has fader" is the representation of the data. Once you have done recording, you can disable the "channel", as in no input to your track.

Robruce 09-28-2021 09:14 PM

Re: A Strange Problem
 
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Originally Posted by JFreak (Post 2614772)
Yes, but my oversimplification of "something that has fader" is the representation of the data. Once you have done recording, you can disable the "channel", as in no input to your track.

Hence the confusion.


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