how to create 12 seperate headphone mixes w/ICON
 

In a normal recording environment, one would use aux sends to send to say 10 players individual headphone mixes.

Has anyone figured out this or any method within pro-tools for many headphone or monitor mixes ?

Re: how to create 12 seperate headphone mixes w/IC
 

I know this is not exactly what you are asking for they are killer: http://www.heartechnologies.com/hb/hearbackintro.htm It allows you to send 8 channels to the client and let them mix it. Even Supersonic Studios (Icon user) uses them.

Re: how to create 12 seperate headphone mixes w/ICON
 

Easy to do. Probably lots of ways but off the top of my head, set up 10 Auxes for Cue Subs, route your individual track outputs to those Aux's as desired to separate. If you mix like I do then you already have Aux Subs set up anyway. Now on those Aux Subs set up sends to I/O. Send them to the outputs of your 192 I/O. Now patch those outputs from your 192 I/O into your cue monitoring system input (Aviom, Furman, etc).

BTW, I have the hearback as well. It's a less expensive solution / not as fancy as Aviom etc but 8 channels are fine for my needs. I have the Icon xmon cue system (Cue 1,2,3) going to 3/4, 5/6, and 7/8 while the L/S goes to 1/2. It is normallized that way on the patchbay and works great without even thinking about it, I just press the buttons on the Icon and it's up.

Re: how to create 12 seperate headphone mixes w/ICON
 

would be a lot easier of course if we would have at least 10 sends / track within the soft.

Re: how to create 12 seperate headphone mixes w/IC
 

chris hit it on the head...as we have always used aux sends as cue mixes, the point is how to do it with only 5 sends per soft track? can digi expand that?

Re: how to create 12 seperate headphone mixes w/IC
 

I'm pretty sure I remember it being rumoured at some point. 10 inserts and 10 sends...... argh .... rumours rumours

Re: how to create 12 seperate headphone mixes w/ICON
 

Check www.aviom.com. Just lay down 12 Stereo Aux Busses in your ProTools that send to individual stereo outs in addition to the main out. With the Aviom modular system, you can have virtually unlimited number of «personal mixers» connected, each of the enables you to have 16 channels with recallable mixes! It's fairly expensivs, but definetely the «Rolls Royce» under all the headphone distribution solutions. Check it out! Greetings, Matt

Re: how to create 12 seperate headphone mixes w/ICON
 

To have independent control on the mixes you would be limited, for any practical setup that includes overdubbing, to the busses.

In my experience, unless you're sending them feeds to mix their own cues - I wouldn't want to be dealing with so many individual sends - unless you can hand the task of cue mxing to an assistant

BUT if you had some special setup you could use aux sends as additional mic ins and send them to hardware outputs. this would be very 'expensive' use of tracks ... from your example 10 ins so 10auxes for one cue send - impractical.

Re: how to create 12 seperate headphone mixes w/ICON
 

That's basically what I said.

If I ever need 10 plug in's on one track then I think I'm using too many plug in's...IMO

Re: how to create 12 seperate headphone mixes w/ICON
 

Thanks all, but I am not trying to create submixes for the musicians to mix themselves. Think of this as making a wedge mix as if they are at a concert and have just one source to mix to for each musician.

The thing is this. We have a Sony Oxford with 96 inputs and 12 aux sends and there are rumbles about going to an all ICON based studio. We have been pretty content with the desk of the last 3 years, albeit a bit shaky at the beginning. During a tracking session we simply dedicate an aux send per musician and make mixes for them individually. I know about the submix system, we have the Furman boxes, but we generally have 25-35 inputs to submix and this gets tricky when you say put all the vocals on one knob etc...

The problem as I see it is there are only 4 auxes on each track in PT.

I suppose if there are only 4 people playing this is fine. Is ICON more of a mixing console than a live tracking app?