Can't hear myself play without recording
Hi,
I am having a problem which I am sure must be a common one. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find a solution searching through the forum or elsewhere on the web. Here's the problem: I have recorded a simple backing track on Pro Tools SE. I now want to play along with that backing track (looped) without recording what I am playing. So I record enable the track and hit play. However, when I hit play I can no longer hear what I am playing, just the backing track. If I stop the track, I can hear myself playing again, but not the backing track. One solution is to hit 'direct monitor' on the Avid recording studio, but this requires changing the input volume of the guitar and it loses the amp synth. I have tried toggling 'k'. This does not fix the problem. I'd be grateful for any help that you can offer. My 'Sandra' report is below so that you can see what computer I am using. Best wishes Adam SiSoftware Sandra ID Host Name : b-6ef071c785124 Workgroup : WORKGROUP Computer Model : Dell OptiPlex GX620 Serial Number : DD4**** Chassis : Dell Desktop Mainboard : Dell 0FH884 Serial Number : ..CN1374********* BIOS : Dell A07 03/31/2006 Total Memory : 2GB DIMM DDR2 Processors Processor : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.60GHz (2T 3.59GHz, 2MB L2) Socket/Slot : FC LGA775 Chipset Memory Controller : Dell OptiPlex GX620 4x 200MHz (800MHz), 2GB DIMM DDR2 534MHz 64-bit Memory Module(s) Memory Module : Kingston KC6844-ELG37 1GB DIMM DDR2 PC2-4300U DDR2-534 (4-4-4-12 2-16-4-2) Memory Module : Kingston KC6844-ELG37 1GB DIMM DDR2 PC2-4300U DDR2-534 (4-4-4-12 2-16-4-2) Video System Monitor/Panel : Dell Computer DELL 1901FP (1600x1200, 19.3") Monitor/Panel : XER XM3-19w (1600x1200, 19.1") Video Adapter : ATI Radeon X300/X550/X1050 Series (4PS2.0, 2VS2.0, 256MB, PCIe 1.00 x16) Video Adapter : ATI Radeon X300/X550/X1050 Series Secondary (4PS2.0, 2VS2.0, 256MB, PCIe 1.00 x16) Graphics Processor Storage Devices SanDisk SDSSDP128G (128GB, SATA600, 1.8", SSD) : 119GB (C:) Optiarc DVD RW AD-7170A (ATAPI, DVD+-RW, CD-RW, 2MB Cache) : N/A (D:) Logical Storage Devices Local (C:) : 119GB (NTFS) @ SanDisk SDSSDP128G (128GB, SATA600, 1.8", SSD) Optical Drive (D:) : N/A @ Optiarc DVD RW AD-7170A (ATAPI, DVD+-RW, CD-RW, 2MB Cache) Peripherals LPC Hub Controller 1 : Intel 82801GB/GR (ICH7) LPC Interface Controller LPC Legacy Controller 1 : SMSC SCH5504-NS Audio Device : Dell OptiPlex GX620 Audio Device : Creative Labs CT0090 Audigy Player Serial Port(s) : 1 Parallel Port(s) : 1 Disk Controller : Dell 82801G (ICH7) Ultra ATA Storage Controller Disk Controller : Dell OptiPlex GX620 USB Controller 1 : Dell OptiPlex GX620 USB Controller 2 : Dell OptiPlex GX620 USB Controller 3 : Dell OptiPlex GX620 USB Controller 4 : Dell OptiPlex GX620 USB Controller 5 : Dell OptiPlex GX620 FireWire/1394 Controller 1 : Creative Labs Audigy 2 Firewire Controller SMBus/i2c Controller 1 : Intel ICH SMBus Printers and Faxes Printer : Microsoft XPS Document Writer (600x600, Colour) Network Services Network Adapter : Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit Controller - Packet Scheduler Miniport (Ethernet, 100Mbps) Operating System Windows System : Microsoft Windows XP Professional 5.01.2600 (Service Pack 3) Platform Compliance : x86 |
Re: Can't hear myself play without recording
Hello,
I think you have to create an audio track for your guitar & enable it. Then check that the inputs on the track and on your interface match. For example input 1 is usually used for the mike and input 2 for the guitar on an M-AudioFastrack USB interface or M-Audio Mobile Pre interface. This way you can arm the loop background track and play through the guitar track. Hope this helps, Dcader10:-) |
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Hi,
Thank you for this suggestion. I have tried everything up to 'arm the loop background track and play through the guitar track' - I'm not sure what this means. Could you clarify this please? If I record enable the other tracks in the project (I have 2 other tracks at the moment: drums and rhythm guitar), this doesn't seem to correct the problem. Also, I have an M-Audio Fast Track. I referred to it wrongly as 'Recording Studio' above. Thanks Adam |
What exact model interface do you have? What is the exact model number on the device label, or even better find a link to a photo online and post here. Your interface may or may not have a hardware monitoring mixer, which is important to know -- it sounds like it has based on your comment , but you are not describing the original "MAudio Fast Track".
This sounds exactly like the common input mode monitoring problem. What does 'toggle k' mean exactly (hopefully you are toggling ALT-K? Have you confirmed in the UI you are toggling between input only monitoring and auto input monitoring? If that does not work create a new totally blank session with one audio track for the guitar and see if you can at least get the expected input monitoring behavior with that. Darryl |
And BTW what guitar amp/sim are you using? I hope you realize there is likely to be some noticeable latency here as you try to track through this plugin.
Darryl |
Re: Can't hear myself play without recording
Hi Darryl,
Thanks for your message. This is the exact model http://www.dv247.com/assets/products/68396_l.jpg Yes - I tried 'k' on its own, alt-k, shift-k, ctrl-k, ctrl+shif+k etc (and many times). Nothing worked. I am not sure what a hardware monitoring mixer is. I can definitely hear myself play along with the backing tracks if I am recording. The trouble is that I can't hear myself playing without recording. It seems weird that Avid would ship a product that does this deliberately, so I guess I must be doing something wrong. The amp sim is one of the preinstalled ones. It does cause some latency, but that was a problem I was hoping to deal with later :-) Please let me know if you have any suggestions that might help me to hear what I am playing. Many thanks. Adam |
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Hi there, did you find an answer to this problem. I have been wondering for a while if this was a "meant to be" thing with pt but as you say...seems absurd!!
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Re: Can't hear myself play without recording
Hello,
Record enable the tracks that you want to be playing (The record enable button is on the each track) for example your drum track, rythm guitar track and the guitar track you want to play on. When you are ready to play along with these tracks just click on the play button above to start the tracks playing so you can play along on your guitar track without recording. Do not click on the record button above where the play button is until you are ready to record. Check the track you recorded the guitar backup track on to see what input it is set on (1 or 2). If there is a way to turn them off since the track is recorded. I don't know if it is conflicting with the input setting on the guitar track you want to play on. Usually your guitar should be plugged in to the 2nd input on your Fastrack and input setting in pro tools is 1 for your guitar track. Hope this helps, Dcader10:-) |
Re: Can't hear myself play without recording
I'm new to Pro Tools. A little over a month now. I just assumed that we weren't supposed to hear it when not recording. So I guess I'd like to know how, too.
Usually, I don't want to hear it, so it hasn't been much of an inconvenience. I usually mute the input tracks while recording. |
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Edit... Forgot about the second part of the instructions. Didn't understand what he was talking about. |
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This is my first post to this forum. I am tagging onto this thread because it seems very relevant and I don't know if a new thread would be preferable or not (trying to keep search results uncluttered).
If a new thread is preferable I'll do it. And I also promise that *I* will answer any and all replies and will post back whatever information is asked for and any solution I may eventually find (I am a big fan of netiquette). I am completely unable to monitor input (a feature that, after many searches, I believe some would like ;-). [Edited:] Never mind. I see that I am in the wrong forum. The answers to my problem (Unable to monitor inputs PT 10.3, Mbox Pro 3rd Gen, Windows 7) is here: http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t...ht=low+latency (Mbox Control Panel - use Mbox Pro as stand alone mixer and monitor hardware inputs, not software returns.) [... rest of needless post cut.] |
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i'm using pro tools 10 hd and the program works fine and every other program i have i can hear myself while recording (ableton live 9 suite, and sonar 8 producer edition) but pro tools i can't at all can anyone help me plz
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brother thi is your solution go to track and shose input only monitor .you will play with your record https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OipaWuJKBU
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Watch the Youtube of the post above. In Pro Tools 10 HD there should be an "I" button next to "S" (solo) and "M" (mute) for the audio track on the right. This will allow it to happen. Otherwise watch the YouTube video.
I am not sure if this works for Pro Tools SE. It's been a while since I used it. I know it is much more "toned" down then Pro Tools Express is. I hope that helps! -OrdinaryStory |
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I studied the previous post. Here's what I think it says, in my own words:
"Record enable the tracks that you want to be playing (The record enable button is on the each track)" => By “playing” he means “playing back” while I listen on my headphones and play along on a new track. he says to record enable those tracks. "... for example your drum track, rythm guitar track and the guitar track you want to play on." => He says: Record enable the two existing tracks (drum & rhythm) plus a track for a new guitar part. "When you are ready to play along with these tracks just click on the play button above to start the tracks playing so you can play along on your guitar track without recording. Do not click on the record button above where the play button is until you are ready to record." => he says: click on play, not record. I must have interpreted something wrong. He wouldn't say not to click on record "until I'm ready to record." That would result in recording over the previous two tracks as well. I did try it though. it didn't work. The rest of his post talks about inputs. I don't think this is relevant to my situation. The input I choose for the new track is whatever input the mic is plugged into. Usually mic inputs 1 & 2 on my Mbox pro. It doesn't matter what the already recorded tracks used. This also referred to a "Fastrack." I'm guessing that's I/O hardware with a similar function to my Mbox. Thanks for any help you can give! Be careful. there's disease out there. |
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I cannot follow your last post including what exactly "did not work". What "previous post" exactly are you talking about? And the video referred to in one post seems to be offline. This is just getting silly. What exact version of Pro Tools are you using? Pro Tools SE? LE? standard? First? Ultimate? and what exact version number? On what computer with what exact interfavce? What exactly are you trying to record? So much time wasted here and you've not ever provided this most basic info, and you are posting on an old thread in a Pro Tools SE and Essentails forum area. That junk should be long dead. This is most likely a common beginner mistake of not undersdatnding auto input vs input only monitoring (if on Pro Tools (non-HD versions) etc. prior to 12.1) or not understanding track input monitoring (if on Pro Tools HD/Ultimate or standard after 12.1). Or being confused between the interface doing hardware monitoring and software monitoring in Pro Tools. You have different people in this thread talking about these very different behaviors in Pro Tools depending on which version you have. You are just wasting your own and other people's time by not providing the expected info here. Please start by reading "help us help you" up the top of each DUC web page. Folks hre will help you if you go to that effort. You should have a Pro Tools reference Guide PDF installed on your computer an can look up track input monitoring or auto input monitoring. That is about a page of text of so to read. And the just play with toggling those things around. Start with a new session with a single track and just play around with the monitoring settings after reading the doc. And depending on the version of Pro Tools you might just have low latency monitoring enabled without understanding the impact of that (again you can find details in the Reference Guide PDF for your version). |
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