Best OS and PT Version Combo

[Roulette Records]

I'm on 12.4 And Yosemite 10.10.5. Running all the normal VI's and Plugs a gear fiend is suppose to have (NI Komp Ult, UAD Ult, BFD, Trillion, RMX, Slate, Flux, Sonnex, much more, etc..) and I am experiencing no problems what-so-ever.

But with being this far behind OS's and PT versions, I do feel my imminent upgrade is upon me before anything gets phased out for me. So I would like to know any feedback as to what people feel is the best combo currently ?

Ideally I'd like to jump to PT 12.7.1 and stay on Yosemite 10.10.5 (for now). But figured if Sierra runs 12.7.1 better, then I'll do that. Or if people recommend staying away from 12.7.1, then whatever combo is best, I'd like to know the feedback - Thanks guys.

[Panacci]

I know that feeling well. I move up only when I am forced to because something will not work with each other. We think we need to move up to the latest and greatest, but if all is working well at this point, sometimes way more important in moving up and then some problems arise.I just moved up from 10.9.5 to Sierra. I am running the latest PT 12.7.1 but I am on LE. Everything feels good so far. My Waves plugins if I upgrade would not work in 10.9.5 anymore. That,s why I moved to Sierra. Also I have a 2009 MAC and I did the 4.1 to 5.1 firmware update.I do have a backup if I need to go back. Sorry about being long winded , just some food for thought

[arche3]

12.7 1 and Sierra works for me. I had to upgrade to keep current with VIs so I feel your pain. Worked out well though.

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[brianjanthony]

I run Yosemite and 12.5. I tried Sierra and 12.7 and gave up. Too many issues.


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[dr_daw]

Your best option is to "scratch"...broken record...perform a back up. Clone your working system, get a blank USB drive, partition it 3 ways, clean, PT's, Test. Install Sierra on the clean, then test it and optimize it; clone it the the PT's partition. Install your interface, test and clone to test. Install PT's and test on the PT's partition and clone it to test. Continue this process until all your VI's and Plugins are installed. Then run off that drive for a few days working out the kinks. Once satisfied, commit to that OS PT's combo...Simple

Personally, I've stuck with Yosemite and 12.7.1. Sierra offered nothing

[Roulette Records]

Thanks for the info and experiences guys. Really helps.

Seems like the one common denominator across the board is, PT 12.7.1 is fine and works great. But the OS best working with it seems to be either Sierra or Yosemite.

dr_daw, the cloning thing is what I hear a lot of people doing. Including some friends. And trust me when I say I truly appreciate your well valued input, and I know it to also be the best way about this subject.. but I just simply don't have the time for all that. lol You said its simple, (and to computer geniuses like yourself, I am sure it is) but literally reading all that wasn't even simple, haha. No way I can do all that. No way I can reinstall all my plugs, and clone and retest OS's and set ups that much. It's extremely too time consuming. I need to work. lol, not test.

So I hate to sound like one of these lazy "piggy back off someone else's work" socialists, (which btw I'm not for all other things, lol) but I ideally was waiting for dust to settle then ask some of you that can test like that the reports of the testing you did.

Sounds like I will go to 12.7.1 but stick with Yosemite. Thanks again all !!

[dr_daw]

LOL, I'll sell you a cloned drive :P. But I'll wait until your rig crashes and you have no backup :P. It's a one time, time consuming thing. After that, it's a safety blanket that will save you from lawsuits if you're a professional.

Just joke of course, although I do speak from experience. Before you do anything at least back up your system or I will have no sympathy ;p (but I'd likely still help you, it's the Canadian thing to do)

I'm struggling with the fact that a new OS is coming out; and will have to run tests. But at the end of the day, if they offer something; I'm stoked!

[Roulette Records]

LOL, I'll sell you a cloned drive :P. But I'll wait until your rig crashes and you have no backup :P. It's a one time, time consuming thing. After that, it's a safety blanket that will save you from lawsuits if you're a professional.

Just joke of course, although I do speak from experience. Before you do anything at least back up your system or I will have no sympathy ;p (but I'd likely still help you, it's the Canadian thing to do)

I'm struggling with the fact that a new OS is coming out; and will have to run tests. But at the end of the day, if they offer something; I'm stoked!

Oh don't get me wrong brother, sorry if I wasn't clear about that part, but I do back up regularly. I just back up all my Sessions (as far as my music is concerned). I never was into backing up a whole drive apps and all. Only the files/data I need that I created (contacts, emails, app documents, pictures, and of course PT sessions, mixes, self created sound libraries, etc..).

Now I could clone a whole drive I guess, sure. But the part I was talking about was then testing it with 3 different OS's and each time each plug in, etc.. I just don't have time.

Yea, haha, thats why I am ready to move up past Yosemite... the new OS is soon. I like being behind a couple OS's sure, its always more stable, but once your 3-4 OS's behind, you wanna think about movin on up. And El Crapitan was just nightmare, so for me its Yosemite or Sierra. So hopefully this new one is good, and I'll stay on Yosemite till you give the signal. ?? :-DDDDDD

[dr_daw]

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[JFreak]

I understand that the topic here is which is the best PT12 version and OS combination; but strictly speaking, the best combo is OSX 10.6.8 & PT 8.1.1

Speaking of the more modern operating systems, I think Mountain Lion was a great one, and then Apple gave us a world of trouble by changing frameworks. Sierra is fine and High Sierra looks to be even better, but that remains to be seen.

Avid has a terrible workload with Apple changing its OS every year...

[The Weed]

To the OP, you're tempting fate by not at least backing up your system drive - I do mine nightly. Avid recommends SuperDuper! (http://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.html) - just set it up and backup to another drive nightly and before any install/uninstall/upgrade/update. This way you can get back to a working system in minutes, instead of the hours/days when something goes wrong or your drive craps out and both things will happen.

[JFreak]

...or Carbon Copy Cloner which I use, but whatever interface you like

[Roulette Records]

strictly speaking, the best combo is OSX 10.6.8 & PT 8.1.1


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Giant thumbs up on that on. For sure. Couldn't agree more. Thats the "dragon" I'm chasing. Trying to find it again. The euphoria was great. :D

[Roulette Records]

To the OP, you're tempting fate by not at least backing up your system drive - I do mine nightly. Avid recommends SuperDuper! (http://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.html) - just set it up and backup to another drive nightly and before any install/uninstall/upgrade/update. This way you can get back to a working system in minutes, instead of the hours/days when something goes wrong or your drive craps out and both things will happen.

You know I do totally feel ya. And agree. I do know when it works as planned, its a life saver. And I probably should get into it. In the past, I just have had nightmares with that stuff. Like for instance, what your talking about exactly, really is useful and works. But some I seen experience total issues in other situations like, "if your computer ever takes a crap on you, your good", go to your latest system back up right ?.. Well let me explain why that is too often a no. lol

Ok, so I seen (and experienced) issues where the same corruptions and issues your computer/drive is developing (that causes it to go out on you) gets backed up onto your cloned system back up. Then you start from it, and your stuck in a loop where your computer keeps constantly taking dumps on you every few months.

This is why I never use Time Machine, clone this, clone that.. I really like to start clean from scratch if I ever experience them major issues. The computer is like new then. Truly. No old extension, preference, or file accidentally backed up that is causing the issue. I do things the old manual way now always due to that. Cause once something like that gets in your back up, now its screwed. And you could actually lose your computer and your back up ! Disastrous.

But I am mainly speaking from a computer issue standpoint. And I do see your mainly speaking from a "my computer is running fine, no problems, but this is just for install/uninstall/upgrade/updates, etc.. And that now I can see. And I might start doing that. But I'd feel it is still smart to keep a 3rd back up done manually (files only) kept separately on another drive.

But again, I appreciate the knowledge you guys are giving me here and sound advice. Its so true, and I been lagging on that aspect. But believe me, I do back up. Just not system or apps. I've had/seen bad experiences doing so in the past.

[The Weed]

In addition to making an image before any changes to my computer, I also image my operating system and audio drive nightly. The program I use - Macrium Reflect (PC only) - has a feature that allows you to create a backup XML file and put an Icon to it in the Taskbar. I just click that and it takes care of the rest, making an image of my Audio drive, deleting the oldest image - I keep 3 - and creating the new one and verifying it. I also have one for my OS drive and it does the same, except it then turns the computer off after the image backup is complete and verified. There is also a feature in the paid version that emails me that a backup was either successful or that it failed. It also creates a Rescue Disk that I can boot from in the event I can't get into Windows to do a restore. All-in-all backup images have saved me a great deal of time and grief, even from a complete disk failure. I just swapped in a new hard drive and brought back the latest image and all that I lost was what I had done after the image was made.

Backup images/clones are well worth the effort.

[PMoshay]

I understand that the topic here is which is the best PT12 version and OS combination; but strictly speaking, the best combo is OSX 10.6.8 & PT 8.1.1

Speaking of the more modern operating systems, I think Mountain Lion was a great one, and then Apple gave us a world of trouble by changing frameworks. Sierra is fine and High Sierra looks to be even better, but that remains to be seen.

Avid has a terrible workload with Apple changing its OS every year...

Multiple firewire drives & 64 tracks, and no VI's or modern plugins........ kinda like the "Flip Phone" of recording setup.......Thats the "Good old days" mentality....although everybody talks the talk, but still uses their new smartphone & protools rig with modern awesome OS & software.

Who's kidding who, if that system was the be all and end all, this website wouldn't even exist.

[Extreme Mixing]

Thanks for the clear thinking, Pete! For me, Sierra with 12.7.1 is working as well as anything I have used in the past few years. Now for VI's it's a different story... And I'd have to at least mention Logic Pro X. Things are the best they've ever been in many ways.

Steve

[JFreak]

Who's kidding who, if that system was the be all and end all, this website wouldn't even exist.

No kidding. My home setup is latest and greatest, but guess which rig I'm taking on a live gig? It's that trusty old HD3 w/8.1.1 and never it has made a single hiccup in front of audience...

[tundra]

Running 10.11.6 an PT 12.5.2 here, its been rock solid.

[Roulette Records]

Multiple firewire drives & 64 tracks, and no VI's or modern plugins........ kinda like the "Flip Phone" of recording setup.......Thats the "Good old days" mentality....although everybody talks the talk, but still uses their new smartphone & protools rig with modern awesome OS & software.

Who's kidding who, if that system was the be all and end all, this website wouldn't even exist.

Your missing the point though. We are talking running the most solid, snappy and absolute bug free. Never a crash, never a spinning wheel.. and the snappiest "feel" you ever experienced.

NOT talking about cool new things to do. No of course not. But FYI, there were VI's back then, and plenty of them.

Similar to Mac OS 9. If you ever used it, no one can argue it was the most snappiest feel there ever was. The absolute best RUNNING OS so far. But did it look cool ? No. Did it have these animated folders and bubbly presence and do a ton of this newer stuff ? No. The point we are talking here is smooth, snappy flawless performance.

No OS beats OS 9. (so far). And if they keep going in this iOS direction with desktop computing, I can guarantee we will never see such a snappy feeling OS again.

Flip phone vs smartphone. I agree, yes.. BUT again, my very very first cell phone (a motorolla tac lite) had such a more snappy response time to it than any of these new phones. Its like no one remembers or everyone is so young they never experienced it to complain, but these new phones have a little delay to them as you do stuff. Its minor, yes, but hell I thought technology was suppose to get better in every aspect ? I notice little stuff like that.

But now we are sidetracked.. HAHA !!

[PMoshay]

I record 5-7 days a week with protools 11.3.2 & 12.7.1 on modern Macs ..... 2 hour soundchecks and 2 hour shows up to 64 tracks........ no problems.
I use OS X Sierra as well as OS X 10.9.5.

I hole heartedly disagree with os9 being so great, other than hollered folders (which I really miss) it was NOT better than any of the newer systems.
now I can mount drives from any kind of PC if needed, open files, mount servers over the internet, watch ip cameras, sync my files across all my Macs, use dropbox in my finder.............not a bleeding chance with os9.

yes you can have a dedicated system for os9 and PT to use, but ill bet you are not using that for your daily life work.

[Roulette Records]

I record 5-7 days a week with protools 11.3.2 & 12.7.1 on modern Macs ..... 2 hour soundchecks and 2 hour shows up to 64 tracks........ no problems.
I use OS X Sierra as well as OS X 10.9.5.

I hole heartedly disagree with os9 being so great, other than hollered folders (which I really miss) it was NOT better than any of the newer systems.
now I can mount drives from any kind of PC if needed, open files, mount servers over the internet, watch ip cameras, sync my files across all my Macs, use dropbox in my finder.............not a bleeding chance with os9.

yes you can have a dedicated system for os9 and PT to use, but ill bet you are not using that for your daily life work.

Oh man, lol (smh) missing the whole point even after explained. Let me try again. I am not arguing about features of stuff you can do and daily life work and which is "better" as far as that. Cause I agree newer OS's just do so much they are better for all that. But - Read again. I don't know what your definition of "so great" is. Cause its not what I intended. And sorry if thats the way I made it sound.

I am strictly talking about "snappy response". If you were in the same room with me I could show you best. Its undeniable. And I relate "snappy response" to running great. (KEY WORD IS "RUNNING"), not "working" great. Your stuck on working great I think. And I agree that "working great" is even more important and I am with you on that. Its why I am on the newer OS's of course.

We were just bringing up a little side note fact about one small quality the older things have, and that is a snappier response and rock solid feel to pretty much everything you click on or do. It just "felt" less bogged down with code underneath its hood so it could do the one to two things it had to do very very very well. (Same with old phones)

I just wish there could be a new OS that accomplished both. New phones that accomplish both.

But again, this whole subject is completely off track of the original question. ha ! So hopefully I explained myself on the little side tangent we got on.:D