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Old 09-20-2020, 01:59 PM
UltimateByte UltimateByte is offline
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Default Re: legacy PACE License Support crashes Windows 10, couldn't install Pro Tools 11 (RE

Allright, got some news. I found exactly why it is that Tpkd.sys doesn't work with newer builds of Windows.

Seeking through the Windows Event Viewer, I found this error:
"The PACE License Services service is marked as an interactive service. However, the system is configured to not allow interactive services. This service may not function properly."

Then I found out that: "Microsoft has removed the Interactive Services Detection Service on Windows 10 Version 1803."
https://kb.firedaemon.com/support/so...-and-session-0

More details about supported versions here:
http://batcmd.com/windows/10/services/ui0detect/

But it appears that upon upgrading from previous builds, that service still exists, which explains why my previous install from late 2017 that I upgrader to build 1909 or 1903 still worked with the driver.

Other users, if you're willing to, you could verify that by checking if you find "Interactive Services Detection" in your services list, and by checking your Windows version/build number.

So there must be a way, or a hack to get it back.
Microsoft support was very kind and attentionate until I asked for that... Now I've got two support people leaving the chat right away when exposing that. I guess it's a sensitive subject.

I'll try to hack a way to add it back.
This link says:
"Make sure that the UI0Detect.exe file exists in the %WinDir%\system32 folder. If this file is missing you can try to restore it from your Windows 10 installation media."

Then run: sc config UI0Detect start= demand

So I'm restoring this file right away and will try that. I'll be reporting back and spread this file and procedure widely if it works.

Edit: This file doesn't exist on my previous Windows install. Gotta boot off of my old legacy Windows install, to check out the event log from it.

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Old 09-21-2020, 11:15 AM
UltimateByte UltimateByte is offline
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Default Re: legacy PACE License Support crashes Windows 10, couldn't install Pro Tools 11 (RE

After digging more, remembered I had an iLok account...

I've then been able to open a support ticket:
"Hello. Pro Tools 10 default plugins requires older iLok drivers to work (latest shows "User privileges insufficient to start a low level driver.") .
After installing legacy driver, running a fresh Win 10 Install, upon booting, computer blue screens incriminating Tpkd.sys because it requires "Interactive Services Detection Service" which was removed since Win 10 Version 1803.
I've been able to sort the booting issue, but the driver doesn't work, starting with loading BF-76.aaxplugin then other plugins fail as well. Can you please fix the driver or provide a workaround to make it work? Thank you"

PS: I'm still unable to get Tpkd.sys to load and work properly.
I've tried importing the exact same old iLok license manager (including the program service and everything) from my previous Win10: Does not work. Also I cannot find a way to retrieve the "Interactive Services Detection Service". My guess is it stays in Windows somehow if it's in use upon upgrade. Would need to start from build 1709 to keep it, if I'm right. No way I'm doing this. Prefer ditching pro tools and keep a secondary Windows 7 handy on a drive if I ever need it.
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Old 09-27-2020, 05:07 PM
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Default Re: legacy PACE License Support crashes Windows 10, couldn't install Pro Tools 11 (RE

Wow UltimateByte, you rock for doing all that digging! That's a really interesting find about the "Interactive Services Detection" service being removed in the latest versions of Win10, and how the legacy PACE License Support needs that service in order to run. Very cool to get to the bottom of exactly WHY the issue is happening on PT10 and older.

Unfortunately this seems like a very difficult fix, that would require either deep hacking, or a manual patch from either Microsoft, PACE, or Avid. Unfortunately this doesn't seem like a high priority issue for any of them....
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Old 10-11-2020, 01:42 PM
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Default Re: legacy PACE License Support crashes Windows 10, couldn't install Pro Tools 11 (RE

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Originally Posted by kevindubois View Post

So after ripping my hair out for hours a few nights ago, I finally reached a solution! When PT11 prompted the install of PACE License Support (as it always did, even though I had the newest version already installed), I clicked install, as I was always forced to do in order to continue. But, when Windows 10's action center popped up, asking if I trust the developer and wanted to install the software, I hit DON'T INSTALL. The PT11 install software did not error out and continued on as normal, allowing me to install PT11! I've tested Pro Tools and everything runs as it should.
I just wanted to let you know that you can fully bypass the installation step where it tries to install the legacy pace drivers. You simply open the installer folder, enter the PT folder and run the "Avid Pro Tools.exe" only. This starts the installation of Pro Tools 11 directly.

And to the ones trying to install PT10 on the latest Windows 10 build I can just say sorry. You will need to be a hell of a hacker to hack all the licenses to get the Air Creative collection to work, and I don't even think it's possible at this point.

I've been at this for a week now, and at the point where I almost sendt half my coputer back to the store for replacement when I found my issue. After some trying and failing with PT10 (as I just liked it better and had more compatible plugins) I was so happy that I read this post and found that PT11 will actually work still. Luckilly some of my plugins also have 64-bit licence.

So thanks to the thread starter!
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