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Re: Fine Adjustment 12.6 = Showstopper
Hi Guys,
In 12.6, Grid Toggle was introduced. This allows the Command (Mac) or Control (Win) key to temporarily enable or disable Grid. Before 12.6, you could only use Command/Control to suppress Grid when in Grid mode, but could never enable Grid when in Slip. This change is a significant improvement to editing in Pro Tools. However, this change means Command/Control can no longer be used for fine breakpoint adjustment. So, we had to make a trade off. That trade off is that Shift+Command (Mac) or Shift+Control (Win) to now required for fine breakpoint adjustment with the Grabber tool. Keep in mind, this change only affects Slip mode. Shift+Command (Mac) and Shift+Control (Win) were always required for fine breakpoint adjustment in Grid mode before 12.6 (as Command/Control was used to suppress Grid mode). Also, be aware that the order the modifier keys are pressed impacts the behavior. If Shift, then Command/Control is pressed, fine breakpoint adjustment is performed at the current breakpoint location. If Command/Control, then Shift is pressed, Grid will be enabled/disabled first, then fine breakpoint adjustment is performed. For example, if you are in Grid mode and you want to drag a breakpoint off Grid then perform fine breakpoint adjustment, hold Command/Control and drag the breakpoint to the desired location, then add Shift and drag breakpoint vertically. Same logic in Slip mode. Another example, if you are in Slip mode and want to stay in Slip mode and perform fine breakpoint adjustment, drag the breakpoint to the desire location, press Shift first then Command/Control and drag breakpoint vertically.
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Re: Fine Adjustment 12.6 = Showstopper
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Re: Fine Adjustment 12.6 = Showstopper
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Fine breakpoint adjustment in Grid mode requires Shift+Command (Mac) or Shift+Control (Win) just like Legacy Pro Tools. Are you seeing something different?
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Re: Fine Adjustment 12.6 = Showstopper
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No possibility to set, fine adjust and horizontally move a breakpoint in one step. And that is what you do 1000+ times a day. In the older days on the volume graph. Now for some time in clip gain and volume. Hold command set, move and finetune the point in one step. This was possible while playing back. Making PT a killer in dialog editig. Now this is not possible anymore. Not only that you will need at least two steps. Now moving horizontally while fine adjusting is not possible anymore at all. Not only doubling the work, but completely changing a fundamental behaviour that has been there for years. Again. You are not able to finetune and move a breakpoint at the same time anymore. How could that be any kind of improvement. In trade for something I completely don't understand. In grid mode it was always possible to use modifiers to move thing in between the grid. And beeing in slip mode I do not see the need to "shortcut" to grid mode too often. Something that is rarely used. This could have been made possible through the use of more than one modifier without changing fundamental behaviour of PT. At least for me this new "feature" ruins the editing speed of PT and will make it impossible for me to update. Even though there are long awaited improvements. |
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Re: Fine Adjustment 12.6 = Showstopper
I would have to try it, but grid toggle doesn't sound at all as an improvement to me.
It makes sense to go temporarily to slip when in grid mode, but it doesn't make sense at do the other way around, at least for dialogue/sfx editing. Maybe for fx, but most of the time, I switch mode before editing. And I can't really understand how having the fine breakpoint movement fixed in time could be seen as an improvement! And I'm not planning to upgrade to 12.6 any time soon now... even if there are some other very good new features and improvements. |
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Re: Fine Adjustment 12.6 = Showstopper
Put it back, it's awful the new way.
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Re: Fine Adjustment 12.6 = Showstopper
Disclaimer: Please don't take the following personally. It's feedback only and not in anyway an invalidation of all the hard work done by you folks at HQ.
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Is Avid going to revert it back to the old behavior, find another solution, or do we have to live with this new change that no one asked for en masse? My vote is to revert it back. Shane
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Re: Fine Adjustment 12.6 = Showstopper
For me... Take 12.4 and do nothing but fix bugs and rewrite MIDI.
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Re: Fine Adjustment 12.6 = Showstopper
Somewhat mystified as to how the inclusion of an additional modifier key, the inversion of a long established methodology, and a doubling of the workload, is considered a "Short Cut" - as compared to simply pressing F2 or F4?
Surely the goal is to simplify, not upset & complicate? |
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Re: Fine Adjustment 12.6 = Showstopper
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...or in avid speak, 'Shift' + 'Command' +1
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