Export Multichannel Interleved Files - Major Bug in PT10

[evs]

hi,
there is a bug in pt10 concerning the export of multichannel files.
when exporting a multichannel file as an interleaved file, pro tools messed up the channels.
Pro tools is working intern with LCR Ls Rs Lfe.
when you have for instance a 5.1 file on a 5.1 track and export it as an interleaved file , other applications (like soundminer, wave agent) think that its a L R C Rs Lfe Ls (never heard of that) configuration. that means you will hear the Right channel on the center and so on.
interestingly, when importing this directly to pro tools, pro tools correctly recognises this file and everyhting is correct.
this bug was not there with PT9 or earlier.

when exporting as 6 mono track everything is correct.

is this a known bug?

all the best
evs

[evs]

can anybody confirm this bug?
or is here anybody where it works like it should..?

[The Cargo Cult]

you mean auditioning the file in SM you hear the channels incorrectly ordered?
or do you mean SM spots them into PT in the wrong order?

[Brandonx1]

Their are many different standards for multi channel audio order. Pro tools uses L,C,R,Ls,Rs,LFE. Soundminer uses L,R,C,LFE,Ls,Rs. their are a few other standards as well. Not a bug

[Frank Kruse]

Originally Posted by Brandonx1

Their are many different standards for multi channel audio order. Pro tools uses L,C,R,Ls,Rs,LFE. Soundminer uses L,R,C,LFE,Ls,Rs. their are a few other standards as well. Not a bug

Actually SM uses what ever you set it to in the Channel Layout field in the database. Can be individually set for every single file. Even C,C,C,L,R can be used.

For library purposes I recommend using split-mono for everything other than 2-channel stereo.

Frank.

[evs]

ok, i think you guys got me wrong.

to make this a bit more easy to understand lets forget soundminer.
so in detail:
when exporting a multichannel interleaved file out of pro tools, the channel order is L C R Ls Rs Lfe.
this means channel 1 is L, channel 2 is C, channel 3 is R and so on.

now, when i open this in any software, as an example in wave agent.
Channel 1 should have the information from L, channel 2 from C and so on.
but when i open it in wave agent, the channel order is wrong. the "R" channel, which should be channel 3, is on channel 2.
it just changed.

you can also see this if youre openeing the file with wave editor. channel 3 (with the r information on it) is shown as channel 2 in wave editor.

please just try it with an test file you build in PT. (6 sine sounds, arranged like stairs, from top left to bottom right. arranged on an 5.1 track.)

[evs]

Originally Posted by maggot

you mean auditioning the file in SM you hear the channels incorrectly ordered?
or do you mean SM spots them into PT in the wrong order?

its both.
i first thought that its a SM bug, but when opening the file in other editors the channel layout is wrong, too.
so PT seems not to export a L C R Ls Rs Lfe...

[evs]

Originally Posted by Brandonx1

Their are many different standards for multi channel audio order. Pro tools uses L,C,R,Ls,Rs,LFE. Soundminer uses L,R,C,LFE,Ls,Rs. their are a few other standards as well. Not a bug

yes, it is.
it used to work before PT10..

[minister]

AFAIK, it has always been thus. I do not have PT 10 and I cannot export interleaved 5.1 files in anything but the PT "film" format.

To do SMPTE order the ghetto way, export 6 mono files, open it in QT 7 (add to movie) and assign the outputs the way you want and save as a Wave file.

The more expensive way, but not if you already have it, is Neyrinck Dolby E bundle. This allows import and export of SMPTE interleaved files.

[evs]

Originally Posted by minister

AFAIK, it has always been thus. I do not have PT 10 and I cannot export interleaved 5.1 files in anything but the PT "film" format.

To do SMPTE order the ghetto way, export 6 mono files, open it in QT 7 (add to movie) and assign the outputs the way you want and save as a Wave file.

The more expensive way, but not if you already have it, is Neyrinck Dolby E bundle. This allows import and export of SMPTE interleaved files.

yes, but thats all i want. i want PT to export it in Film format.
but when i open the file in another software it seems that PT has NOT saved it in its "film" format...