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Old 03-26-2009, 01:33 AM
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Question ReelTape vs. McDSP AC vs. DUY Valve/Tape

I want to buy some "analogue emulation" plugins, especially for the master bus.

Do you have some experience with

Digidesign Reeltape suite or McDSP AC2 or DUY Valve/Tape? I want to buy the TDM versions.

So I want to know which one of the three is the most versatile to use and would yield the best result.
I saw a video lately from MILAR (Charles Dye) using both McDSP AC and DUY on the same session.
I could do a demo download of course, but I just want to know what your preference is.
Many thanks!
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Old 03-26-2009, 02:22 AM
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I want to buy some "analogue emulation" plugins, especially for the master bus.

Do you have some experience with

Digidesign Reeltape suite or McDSP AC2 or DUY Valve/Tape? I want to buy the TDM versions.

So I want to know which one of the three is the most versatile to use and would yield the best result.
I saw a video lately from MILAR (Charles Dye) using both McDSP AC and DUY on the same session.
I could do a demo download of course, but I just want to know what your preference is.
Many thanks!
they are both good and both get equal use with me! AC is more economical with chip usage i find generally DUY gets more use on tracks and AC gets more use on busses and mix bus.

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Old 03-26-2009, 05:39 AM
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Default Re: ReelTape vs. McDSP AC vs. DUY Valve/Tape

Don't forget to demo cranesong Phoenix. The best TDM plugin I have!
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Old 03-26-2009, 08:43 AM
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Don't forget to demo cranesong Phoenix. The best TDM plugin I have!
Ditto!
I use these more than AC1 & 2 etc..couldn't live without them.
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Old 03-26-2009, 09:13 AM
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For tape emulation I have AC2, DAD Tape, and TapeHead. I use them all.

AC2
PROS: Many tweakable parameters — Just the sort of product you'd expect from a nerd like Colin. If you are into emulation, this can get you close to many tape sounds you may wish to emulate (except the sound of crumpled tape — looking for that in future updates). Has button to automatically normalize gain. Side benefit: Good educational tool for learning about tapes and tape machines.
CONS: Many tweakable parameters.

DAD Tape
PROS: Fast and easy to use with almost no tweakability. Good for imparting a more subtle and vague tapeyness. Broadly useful due to its subtlety. Selectable for choice of vintage machine, tape speed, and noise reduction curves.
CONS: Not much tweakability. Always makes signal a little louder when inserted (marketing gimmick?) requiring trim adjustment.

TapeHead

PROS: Pretty fast and easy to use with few controls. The controls (drive dial, trim dial, normal-bright switch) are very effective and are capable of radically manipulating sound. Very nice as a distortion plug and for bolder levels of tapeyness. Can be used for subtle effects.
CONS: Drive adjustments always require almost equal turns of the trim dial to maintain loudness — This is a PITA. It would be better if the gain remained constant (e.g. calibrated to pink noise) with drive adjustments. Because the drive dial is scaled for the capability of radical effects, it is touchy for subtle effects.

I also have AC1 and DAD Valve. Similar comments apply in correspondence to AC2 and DAD Tape above.
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I have AC2, DAD Tape, and TapeHead.
Same here...
DUY gets the most use by far... I tend to need tape emu to be
subtle, which DUY is. When I need the "sledgehammer", I go for
Tapehead.

I also use a Cranesong Hedd's tape emu on the 2 buss,
(The CS Phoenix is modelled after this...) which also sounds great.

Never used ReelTape, sorry...

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Hi!

I used AC for a long time, then I just got tired of the sound. It is very glue-like and cool. The problem I have with all these tape emulators is they color a sound in such a way that if you use too many of them, they add up to a frequency bump in an inappropriate place.

Same with the harmonic distortion they introduce. Four of them in a mix can make the effect build up in a bad way. I hope I'm making sense.

These days I tend to get this type of analog effect from the SSL plugs. Same type of saturation and compression, but more subtle.

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...i recently became addicted to URS Saturation; it's only RTAS for the moment, but they're doing a TDM version.

...a tie for second with me is SPL Twin Tube; that's both TDM and RTAS.

the URS did modeling (various tape heads and mic pre's) where the SPL is it's own beast.
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Hi!

I used AC for a long time, then I just got tired of the sound. It is very glue-like and cool. The problem I have with all these tape emulators is they color a sound in such a way that if you use too many of them, they add up to a frequency bump in an inappropriate place.

Same with the harmonic distortion they introduce. Four of them in a mix can make the effect build up in a bad way. I hope I'm making sense.

These days I tend to get this type of analog effect from the SSL plugs. Same type of saturation and compression, but more subtle.

Rubicon
I agree.

That's why I make sure I mix it up!! Phoenix, Tapehead, Twin Tube is great, sometimes AC.
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Default Re: ReelTape vs. McDSP AC vs. DUY Valve/Tape

Thank you all for the constructive feedback!

In the meantime, I did some further research and came across this EQMAG review of several tape emulation plugins.

Some of the comments are subjective to the author, but if I read between the lines...the McDSP AC seems to be the best buy.

http://www.eqmag.com/article/tape-si...e/jul-08/85725
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