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Search issues in the PT 11 "improved" Workspace
How are people liking the new "improved" Workspace in 11?
The new Search functionality is a disaster, in my opinion. Apparently, they switched the default search engine protocol from a boolean "AND" search to a boolean "OR" search which I think is a huge mistake. For example, if you need to find a "big boom" from an earlier reel, it used to be that you would type in big boom and only files that have "big" AND "boom" would result. Now, any files that have "big" OR "boom" will result. So, in addition to big booms the results will be little booms, baby booms, big winds, big farts, etc, etc. Obviously, this is not useful and is the opposite logic of most search engines (web search, Soundminer, iTunes, etc). Typically, the more terms you add, the more narrow and specific the results should be. Now it is the opposite. Now you get more irrelevant results. You can wrap big boom in quotes and, like a boolean search, you will get only results where big and boom are adjacent, but what if the the file was actually boom big? The new search will not find it. Another missed opportunity is that they neglected to include any other boolean functionality. Instead they added the overly complicated Advanced Search. You have to type in Big, then click on the little Advanced Search icon, then more fields appear. Then, click the + sign and add one term at a time to yield the equivalent of what used to be a simple search (a boolean "AND" search). Anyone else agree that Avid should rethink this? Admin Edit: Idea#4034
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Re: Search issues in the PT 11 "improved" Workspace
It is a little clunky, but it only takes me 1 second to hit those extra buttons.
It actually seems to work a lot better than it used to. It used to get corrupt databases all the time, and the search was never reliable. I had purchased Basehead to search instead, but now Basehead doesn't seem to work well in Yosemite and keeps crashing and getting corrupted. I'm back to using workspace and it seems to work well. |
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Re: Search issues in the PT 11 "improved" Workspace
I agree you really need to be able to do a Boolean search from the main field. Extra clicking is not efficient.
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Re: Search issues in the PT 11 "improved" Workspace
In my opinion, the larger problem is the new reverse logic in the simple search. If you type in bass guitar, you will get bass clarinet, sea bass, and acoustic guitar. Anything with the word "bass" OR "guitar". This is broken and Avid needs to fix it as far as I'm concerned.
The lack of boolean and the goofy Advanced Search is just another example of Avid dropping the ball on a new feature.
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Re: Search issues in the PT 11 "improved" Workspace
It's not the time it takes, it's more the absurd notion of entering one word at a time and clicking that + sign after each word. Standard search logic, like Google or the Workspace in PT 10, would not require this. They changed the basic search function and made it worse.
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Re: Search issues in the PT 11 "improved" Workspace
One step forward, two steps back
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Re: Search issues in the PT 11 "improved" Workspace
Absolutely! The DUC search might have inspired them.
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Re: Search issues in the PT 11 "improved" Workspace
I also think so!!
Why can not understand what has changed it. I can not use yet ProTools11 due that. This is a very big problem for a Soundeffect designer. Doesn't everyone use Workspace? The situation for which "or serch" is used effectively can't think of at all. If the situation can't be imagined, Avid should return it to the beginning. |
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Re: Search issues in the PT 11 "improved" Workspace
Another +1 for the Boolean AND Search in Workspace. Prior to PT11 I was able to search my 50,000+ sound effects library, now I will have to invest in a 3rd party system like Basehead or Soundminer. Not impressed. I have started an Ideascale entry on this one. So if you want the AND restoring then please vote for it. Thanks.
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Re: Search issues in the PT 11 "improved" Workspace
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