Video Timecode Issue, confirm I've crewed :)

[Monty_python]

Hey guys!

Working on an indy feature. Editor gives me a 25fps video and omfs. I edit and mix entire project in PT at 25fps (not realizing the framerate of the vid). Editor realizes afterwards he should have been in 23.976. He conforms his project in FCP7 to 23.976 with no problems on his end. Now he makes a few more edits before locking the film. Now he's sending me 23.976 video back which now doesn't sync with my pro tools session which I edited in 25fps.

Can pro tools conform to this in any way? For example, can it adjust/stretch natively my 25fps session to 23.976? I can do a workaround, but it isn't pretty. Especially if he sells the film and more edits are required at that point. Can Pro Tools get me back on track with out redoing all of my work?

Thanks for your time!
Monty

[JuanPC]

Audio can be stretched...

You can load the first video in VLC Player,
VLC Player has a menu to show the Codec information.

You can confirm what is the specifications of the original video file.

But... Usually, ProTools is for Audio...
Video first, then audio...

Same when 35mm was manually.

Editing audio first, gives all kinds of problems.

[Monty_python]

There's nothing more to confirm, original is 25fps, the project has been moved to 23.976. And yeah, I completely agree. The director thought he was locked, I got the project, and now he's not locked... I have to work with the situation. And I'm sure a buyer may have editing demands as well. So just trying to make sure there's not a pro workaround. Thanks.

[Kasper]

Looks like you have 2 issues; the cut has changed and you are at a different speed.
So, you need to adjust your speed first, then conform to the new edit.

Create new session at the proper rate, import session data and SRC from 25 to 23.98, copy audio files. (4.1% rate change)

kasper

[Monty_python]

Originally Posted by Kasper

Create new session at the proper rate, import session data and SRC from 25 to 23.98, copy audio files. (4.1% rate change)

Thank you for the reply. So I made sure my my Session was in 25fps by going to Setup>Session. Then started a new project and made sure the new one was in 23.976. Used Import>Session Data from my previous 25fps session. The only place I know to use SRC is in this Import dialog box simply by checking the box. This didn't work, could you critique my workflow if I missed something?

Thanks for your time.
Monty

[john1192]

yes, you did miss something .. the Pull Down to 46,034 (PAL to NTSC, Film Style) .. see pic ..

but listen to the Pitch .. i cannot remember how you fix the Pitch Issue .. taking a look at that now ..

Originally Posted by Monty_python

Thank you for the reply. So I made sure my my Session was in 25fps by going to Setup>Session. Then started a new project and made sure the new one was in 23.976. Used Import>Session Data from my previous 25fps session. The only place I know to use SRC is in this Import dialog box simply by checking the box. This didn't work, could you critique my workflow if I missed something?

Thanks for your time.
Monty

[john1192]

it sounds like it is One Semi Tone .. someone Check me on this Please ..

[Kasper]

Originally Posted by john1192

it sounds like it is One Semi Tone .. someone Check me on this Please ..

68 cents is @ 4%

Yes, John has it right, I should have clarified, 46.034 is the right sample rate for the conversion.

You will probably want to correct the pitch after you are done, 4% is discernible. You want to correct the pitch only though, not the time, or you'll be back where you started




kasper

[john1192]

thx Kasper, the VO has some nice body pitched down like that

Originally Posted by Kasper

68 cents is @ 4%

Yes, John has it right, I should have clarified, 46.034 is the right sample rate for the conversion.

You will probably want to correct the pitch after you are done, 4% is discernible. You want to correct the pitch only though, not the time, or you'll be back where you started




kasper

[Kasper]

Yeah, just don't tell them .... they'll think you have some special sauce

kasper