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Re: Overhead mic technique - what works for you?
Thanks for all the replies so far...
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Re the 3:1 rule... I'm trying to do that, but the kit is only about 5' (60 inches) wide, so if I keep to the 3:1 rule the mics can be no more than 20 inches or so above the cymbals (that's if I'm doing this properly?) Quote:
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My studio is in my garage. I live in Ireland. If I cut a hole in the ceiling, I'll need to put an umbrella over the kit to keep the rain off! I have Rockwool/duvet on the ceiling, so I think the issue is less about reflections & more about the phase issues due to time delays reaching the mics.
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Re: Overhead mic technique - what works for you?
Just invite me over. Both times I have been to Ireland to visit the wife's family, it has been sunny and warm. I don't know what your lot is complaining about.
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Re: Overhead mic technique - what works for you?
Still try what suggested, keeping both cardioid overheads together but looking at the kit in an "x" formation. This has been successful in reducing overhead mic phasing in more than one studio I work in.
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Re: Overhead mic technique - what works for you?
e602 inside kick
AKG perception front of kick audix i5 on snare (or SM57) e604's on 4 toms 2 x Groove Tubes GT55 large diaphragm condenser overheads set at boundary width of kit about 18 inches from cymbals. Rode NT5 matched pair on hi hats and ride cymbal. large 50x50 room, 2nd floor, hardwood floors, one baffle in between the front of the kit and wall. ceiling about 15 ft w/ acoustical tiles. i find that the large diaphragms give a far more realistic and usable total kit picture than the nt5's.
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... having said that, I've just been on your MySpace.... although that's not normally my cup of tea, I have to say you've got a very tight sound going on there... very commercial too... good stuff
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Re: Overhead mic technique - what works for you?
ive got some other projects coming out in the next month or so that blow the engineering and producing i did on that stuff away. I love the gratification i get from not only playing music but engineering it. the constant learning really tickles my pickle.
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Re: Overhead mic technique - what works for you?
Try aiming one mic above the snare about 4-7 feet depending on how much room you want and the other mic should go at 90 degrees to this on the side by the ride and floor tom pointing at the side of the snare but the same distance away as the overhead mic. SO one mic is pointing down (over the snare) and the other is pointing sidways at the snare by the floor tom. Not sure why, but in a good room this sounds great. Also a good M+S pair can work well (414 Side and GT33 Mid) as can the good old NT4 cross coincident stereo mic.
With the first technique I mentioned you can try to invert the phase of the lower mic but normally if possitioned correctly this is not needed. A:)
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Re: Overhead mic technique - what works for you?
Here are some secrets of I have found
Number one SHOTGUN MIC YOUR SNARE WOWOW |
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Re: Overhead mic technique - what works for you?
If you really wanna get crazy you can try using some stereo micing technics like MS or NOS but for me I usually stick with the old tried and true A B overheads. As for the how high i hate to say it but depends on what your playing. Its fine to keep the overheads low when recording some sidestic samba beat with a bell less ride. But for Blast beats or Classic Rock raise them up.
The MOST important thing to do is look at your drumset and divide it equally. and mic it accordingly. Use a spare XLR cable and sit at the throne of the kit find the middle of the drumset and use the cable to check that each mic is an equal distantce from the other |
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Re: Overhead mic technique - what works for you?
This is a classic, but not so much an overhead technique.
It works well if you have the shotgun high above the snare, gate it on mixdown and have the bottom snare key'ed into the side chain, meaning the shotgun track only opens when triggered by the bottom snare. Play with the attack and release to get it more interesting. A:)
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