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Old 08-16-2012, 10:24 AM
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Default Pt 10+ liquid saffire 56+ saffire pro 40 masterclock?

So after renting the liquid a few times I decided I would go ahead and just purchase it (LS56), with 1 or 2 Saffire pro 40, or something else with 8 pre's to get a total of 24 pre's on the ready. But I'm wondering if the liquid world clock is good enough to be the master clock or if I should get an outboard master clock. Anyone has had problems with it or any thoughts on it?
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:58 AM
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So after renting the liquid a few times I decided I would go ahead and just purchase it (LS56), with 1 or 2 Saffire pro 40, or something else with 8 pre's to get a total of 24 pre's on the ready. But I'm wondering if the liquid world clock is good enough to be the master clock or if I should get an outboard master clock. Anyone has had problems with it or any thoughts on it?
To my ear, the LS56 master clock sounds great: it sounds at least as good as my Black Lion Audio modded Digi 002R. I would NOT suggest the Pro 40 as 8-ch expansion modules however, as it does not have word clock. If you want to stay with all Focusrite products, you might have a look at this:

http://global.focusrite.com/mic-pres/octopre-mkii

By the way, the Octopre can be used in S-MUX mode for 96K:

"Digital Channel Outputs:
  • 2x ADAT Lightpipe (TOSLINK) outputs. Provides 8 channels per port (16 total) at 44.1 and 48kHz.
  • Provide 4 channels per port (8 total) at 88.2 and 96kHz (S-MUX).
*Note that when running at 44.1 or 48kHz, the digital outputs are mirrored, providing outputs 1 - 8 on both ports."


An LS56 plus 2 Octopres would be a pretty cool setup. I'm currently using my LS56 along with a Presonus Digimax (8 additional pres via ADAT, clocked to the LS56 via Word Clock). It all works/sounds good.
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:11 AM
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Will it matter? I've read and been told by Focusright that I could still slave the pro 40 to the ls56 through the spdif or the optical. I'm glad thought that you seem to say that the clock of ls56 is good.

I also found this on their answer-base forum just now since you had me jump hehehe.

Why doesn't Saffire have a wordclock input?
In the applications for which the Saffire was designed, wordclock connections are not needed. Synchronisation is only needed if timing is crucial (for example when doing 'laybacks' of audio in post production), or if there are several digital devices being used simultaneously. With the Saffire, the only sources being recorded will be the analogue inputs and/or SPDIF signals. Therefore the only digital sources that will need synchronizing are devices connected to the SPDIF In. In this case no wordclock connection is needed, as wordclock is embedded within the SPDIF signal from the digital source and the Saffire will sync to this.
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:53 AM
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Will it matter? I've read and been told by Focusright that I could still slave the pro 40 to the ls56 through the spdif or the optical. I'm glad thought that you seem to say that the clock of ls56 is good.

I also found this on their answer-base forum just now since you had me jump hehehe.

Why doesn't Saffire have a wordclock input?
In the applications for which the Saffire was designed, wordclock connections are not needed. Synchronisation is only needed if timing is crucial (for example when doing 'laybacks' of audio in post production), or if there are several digital devices being used simultaneously. With the Saffire, the only sources being recorded will be the analogue inputs and/or SPDIF signals. Therefore the only digital sources that will need synchronizing are devices connected to the SPDIF In. In this case no wordclock connection is needed, as wordclock is embedded within the SPDIF signal from the digital source and the Saffire will sync to this.
The LS56 and the Octopre have wordclock, the Pro40 does not. As you said above, wordclock is desirable if you sync multiple digital devices. For example, in a rig with an LS56 (clock master) plus TWO Octopres (slaved to LS56 clock) I'd use wc.
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I also would recommend the OctoPre Mk II Dynamic. Ebay has them (usually) for just over $500 for new B stock.
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Old 08-16-2012, 12:19 PM
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Default Re: Pt 10+ liquid saffire 56+ saffire pro 40 masterclock?

I see. I was hoping that I wouldn't have any problem with the pro 40 and the ls56 since they have the same pre's and I have a lot of recordings coming up that will require me having 16 pre's at a minimum, a lot of classical stuff so was looking for the same pre's to get the same clear sound from pre 1 to pre 16. That would have given it to me with the sf56 and pro 40 combo, they have the same pre's. I might change to the octo pre later then, but do you two foresee any problems with this combo for now? The units have already been ordered, under the impression that I would have been able to sync them through the spdif or adat.
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Old 08-17-2012, 07:04 AM
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Default Re: Pt 10+ liquid saffire 56+ saffire pro 40 masterclock?

Right so I got into a mad dash trying to get a firm answer from focusright, and here's what they have said.

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The Pro 40 doesn't have a word clock output, but it does still send a clock signal via adat. You can then use this to clock the LS56 from the Pro 40. You would setup the Pro 40 to work in standalone mode, with the sync source set to internal. You would then set the LS56 to clock to adat. Once you have done that you will be able to successfully use the Pro 40 in standalone with the LS56

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... to get a total of 24 pre's on the ready...
To achieve this, you'll need LS56 + two Octopres, and wordclock to sync all 3 devices. You can use the Pro 40/LS56 combo as Focusrite said, but that's 2 devices (not 3) and 16 mic pres (not 24).
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To achieve this, you'll need LS56 + two Octopres, and wordclock to sync all 3 devices. You can use the Pro 40/LS56 combo as Focusrite said, but that's 2 devices (not 3) and 16 mic pres (not 24).
Yes I meant for now, until I'm ready to go to 24 pre's
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Default protools 10 + liquid saffire 56 problem

hello everybody

i am new to this forum posting , i hope i am in the right place.

i have a problem with my liquid saffire 56 interface, i tweaked all my system .

system:-

processor : intel core i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40 GHz
RAM : 16GB DDR3
VGA card : ATI Radeon HD 5870
Os: windows 7 ultimate 64bit


i had to buy a firewire card , and when i run the OHCI tool .. it says

Vendor : (104C) Texas Instruments
Chipset: (8025) TSB82AA2B/TSB83AA22A/TSB83AA23
Revision: 01
Max 1394 Speed Capability: S800
Support: Compatible, no known issues.

Done.

so it is supposed to be compatible , though when i run mix control 3 . it gives me .. no hardware connected , although everything is plugged , sometimes it is connected sometimes it just disconnects. mainly after i open PT10

everything is updated , all the drivers .. i cant seem to know what is causing the problem ..

i would really appreciate some help

thanks all
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