Routing conundrum

[Mr. Kelly]

Ok, you PT geniuses!

Here's a conundrum for you...

I just migrated over from PT6... (It's about time!)

I'm trying to get hardware inserts to work, but I'm encountering an unusual difficulty.

All of the I/Os in PT seem to be in order, but the only time I can get a hardware insert to work is if I call up the insert on track "A" and bus it to track "B". Then, I can hear the insert loop. Ironically, even when both tracks are outputted to the same destination, I still can't get sound from the insert unless I bus it to an alternate track. Sends won't work, either. Only bussing.

I can actually see the meter of the original track that the insert is on showing that the signal is passing through, but I just can't hear it unless I bus it to an alternate track. Very strange, eh?

Even if I just pull the insert to the second track, it won't work. Only works if I bus it from one to another.

However... the inserts WILL work if I call them up in a master track. Geeze, Louise!

This may be of relevance… All of my hardware is connected to channels on my Lynx Aurora, and my Aurora is acting as my main monitoring device by means of PT routing its main outputs through channels 1-2 of the Aurora. Does that make sense?

Any thoughts? Am I missing something obvious in PT 10?

Hope you can help!

[nst7]

Is the hardware coming into the same input as the output? For example, if you go output no. 4, you need to use input 4 as well, for Protools to recognize it as an insert.

[Bill Denton]

@Mr. Kelly...

Can't get a read on your experience level, but let me put this out there and if it's not applicable you can ignore it...

Beginning with PT 9, significant changes were made to PT's I/O setup.

If you have not read the I/O section of the manual it might be worth your while. Also, there is an "IO Setup Primer.pdf" in the Pro Tools documentation folder that I've found useful...

[Mr. Kelly]

Thanks for the thoughts...

Well, I'm pretty intuitive when it comes to routing... Plus, I went through and skimmed/read the entire section regarding i/o for PT10.

Everything seems to be in place. Not sure why it's being finicky.

At the risk of being repetitive:

Let's say I have a hardware reverb... It's plugged into the in/outputs of my Lynx Aurora's channel 3-4. The Lynx is connected by USB to the computer.

- the i/0 settings say that inserts for 3-4 are active and in place. Main outs are routed to the channels 1-2 of my lynx aurora, and is validated through the i/o pages for input and output.


- no sound is heard if I activate the i/o insert on any track for channels 3-4, although you can see the meters of the hardware reverb showing activity, so the output seems to be working.

- no sound is also heard if I set the output of a track to channels 3-4, and then set the input of an aux track (or recording track) to channels 3-4. Then I set the output of that second track to main outs. This worked every time on my PT 6.1.

The only way I've gotten a return is by putting the hardware insert on a regular track, bus that track's output to the the same number on a different track, and output that track to regular main outs. THIS works, but I can't then hear the original track, since it's been bussed to the aux track.

Is this making any sense? What doesn't make any sense is why it's responding this way!!

HELP!!!!

[Mr. Kelly]

Geeze... 200+ readers... an no one has a "Oh... I KNOW WHAT IT MIGHT BE"???

Any brainiacs have the solution???

I'm beginning to think it may have something to do w. the Lynx routing... which is what I've been working on, but it seems that all is ok there, too. Have to try again tonight... wasting tons of time... trying to get the stinking things to work!

I do understand those who hire engineers and producers to take care of all of this. Musicians who want to do this stuff all on their own spend SO much time on maintaining the systems!

[Craig F]

I think Bill is on the right track. Maybe Analog/Digital I/O setting?
screen shots of your routing and settings would be useful

[albee1952]

With a reverb, I would not use inserts. I would route AUX sends to outputs, and return the reverb to a new stereo track(either AUX or Audio, depending on a few things). I would likely return to an audio track and print the reverb so it becomes a permanent file in the session. As said, with inserts, you must use matching numbered IO.