PC or MAC pro for PT HD native system?

[YYR123]

Originally Posted by DJ Bechara

why what would happen in 18 months ?? in my country ... Mac Prices are always sky high

What country is that? Oh Earth........yes they are expensive all over.

[Becharax]

Lebanon ! :)

[guitardom]

Originally Posted by DJ Bechara

Guys ... we are music composers/producers .... why do we really have to worry much about optimising a PC or a mackintosh like mentioned above knowing the difference in price is not SO Huge ... I mean someone who is really serious about making music and is nagging about few thousands and I say here (1,000 to 2,000) is not someone who is really into making music to make a living ...
the good thing about buying a stock mac pro is that you have nothing to worry about or anything to let you have any headache whatsoever ... some people here might be tech geeks but some are not
Respects for both !! My post is not offensive to anyone but it's just a point of view
Cheers

First, they are not exactly "headache proof" there are countless posts on here proving you wrong. As with any computer, a bit of luck is involved. Then let's not get into the OSX major update situation that has broken something in Pro Tools almost every time in the last quite a many years when you can buy/build a new PC and still run Pro Tools 8.05 if you want.

I don't know very many people that can throw around 2k like it's not a big deal. That 2k can buy lots of plugins, nice mic, pay for the external chassis you need for macs to use Pcie cards, or pay rent/car payments. If optimization is your only "reason", is 15-20 minutes of your time worth 2k?? All the time you might spend researching an expansion chassis or what the next OSX update is breaking is a lot more than 15-20 minutes. Then as pointed out above, Pro Tools PC for instance is completely optimized, tweaked, and even comes with the version of Pro Tools installed that you want.

Many people want Macs and that's great, but this whole thing about them almost sounding magical you and others portray does get silly to anyone who actually works or even pays attention to both platforms.

[roberts]

Originally Posted by albee1952

http://www.pro-tools-pc.us/ProductDe...uctCode=PTPC-6 $2699.99 w/32GB of RAM

http://www.apple.com/us_smb_78313/sh...A&step=config# $4399 w/32GB of RAM

Do the math, choose your preferred OS, go make some music. Ignore the fanboys on both sides because both rigs CAN run great and deliver great performance(and both can make you rip out your hair too)

except your calculator is broken - you must be using Windows
Pro Tools PC ( All Standard on a Mac Pro )
3 Thunderbolt Busses - Not Available
3 X monitor (4K) support - Not Available
PCIe SSD Drive - Not Available
Xeon E5 processor - Not Available
Bluetooth - Extra
Gigabyte Wifi - Not Available
Appelcare - 1 800 fix my mac pro now no matter what's wrong with it ….

[V5V]

Originally Posted by albee1952

http://www.pro-tools-pc.us/ProductDe...uctCode=PTPC-6 $2699.99 w/32GB of RAM

http://www.apple.com/us_smb_78313/sh...A&step=config# $4399 w/32GB of RAM

Do the math, choose your preferred OS, go make some music. Ignore the fanboys on both sides because both rigs CAN run great and deliver great performance(and both can make you rip out your hair too)

I agree with you. I will, however, point out that the above is obviously not an apples-to-apples comparison. The Mac Pro is a much better equipped machine than the PTPC quoted above.

Now, whether or not the things the Mac includes that the PTPC doesn't are things you need or want for a Pro Tools rig is a valid consideration. They're not for me, which is why every couple months I go to the Apple feedback page to lobby for a quad-core Mac mini! That's likely to cost ~$2,500 or so with options added, making it an attractive alternative.

[maunaloa]

Originally Posted by roberts

3 Thunderbolt Busses - Not Available
3 X monitor (4K) support - Not Available
PCIe SSD Drive - Not Available
Xeon E5 processor - Not Available
Bluetooth - Extra
Gigabyte Wifi - Not Available
….

Reality check.

"Not available" for Win PC is no longer accurate for any of the items above. Just pick the GPU or other PCIe device to provide what you want. Gigabyte's new TB2 dual port card is particularly nice. The Intel 750 PCIe SSD boot drive I run is fast.

5 to 7 PCIe slots on X99 mobos, vs. 0 on a Mac trashcan. Much lower roof in the walled garden.

Personally, I enjoy building systems ... for less than half the cost of equivalent Mac systems, plus easier upgrading of HW. Yes, some day Windows will start certifying more TB hardware, e.g., the wonderful and very quiet Sonnet Tech III-D expansion chassis, but until then one can simply override the warning. And, yes, a builder does have to understand more technology, like UEFI, but that's (i) the crux of the tradeoff between bespoke vs. OTS, and (ii) where money is saved for other acquisitions, like mics and plugins.

[Wall2Wall]

As a Mac Trashcan owner I wish the $4399 price above was the total. Spent an additional $1400 on Thunderbay, Sonnet expansion, Thunderbolt cables. Than a few dollars more on two 1G ssd's and a 2G HD.

[guitardom]

Originally Posted by roberts

except your calculator is broken - you must be using Windows
Pro Tools PC ( All Standard on a Mac Pro )
3 Thunderbolt Busses - Not Available
3 X monitor (4K) support - Not Available
PCIe SSD Drive - Not Available
Xeon E5 processor - Not Available
Bluetooth - Extra
Gigabyte Wifi - Not Available
Appelcare - 1 800 fix my mac pro now no matter what's wrong with it ….

The basic vid card will drive 3 monitors. 4k cards can be added. Never had anyone ask for them. Most users have no need.

You can get 2 TB ports w 2 display ports along with a bunch of Pcie slots! That's worth another 1k$ Or more on the Mac price.

Pcie Ssd drive can be had easily along with an M.2 drive.

The 10-14 and above core machines are Xeons. In many ways Xeons are a hindrance to top performance and nothing to brag about.

You would be surprised how many people have no interest in Bluetooth. Why pay for it?

What do you mean wifi not available? It's available and in the store unless that particular model has it built in.

I fully support and fix any issues with my machines.

If you pay attention there are bulletin points under the machine specs where I mention to ask for anything you may want that you don't see.

[maunaloa]

G'dom, I don't think "roberts" is trolling, I think he is simply uninformed.

[Philthy]

Originally Posted by guitardom

The 10-14 and above core machines are Xeons. In many ways Xeons are a hindrance to top performance and nothing to brag about.

Off topic, why are Xeons a hindrance? Was considering the 1231 for my next build.