PT11 licence no longer included when upgrading to PT12

[nigelpry]

The latest update (2nd July 2015) of the licensing FAQ now includes this entry ...

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Q: Will I have to surrender my old license when I upgrade to Pro Tools 12? Will I lose my Pro Tools 10 license too?
A: You will retain a Pro Tools 10 license for 32-bit compatibility when upgrading to Pro Tools 12. Your old license will need to be surrendered but you will receive a new license bundle for Pro Tools 10 and 12, so you can access older sessions with RTAS plugins as well as the new Pro Tools 12 application.
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There is no longer any mention of retaining a PT11 licence too as part of upgrading.

Also, if you look at buying an upgrade to PT12 in the Avid Store, and go to the 'Specifications' tab you'll now see this ...

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What’s included?

Either Pro Tools 12 and 10 licenses, or Pro Tools | HD 12 and 10 licenses, with bundled plug-ins and installer activation (requires download)
One-year Avid upgrade plan, renewable annually
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So it appears that Avid has quietly dropped including a PT11 licence in the bundle for people when they upgrade to PT12. Upgraders will just get a PT10 + PT12 licence bundle.

Anyone with PT11 now who hasn't already upgraded to PT12 has, it seems, missed the boat. If they upgrade to PT12 they will no longer have a PT11 licence to fall back on in case of problems.

This applies to HD as well as vanilla.

Is everyone happy about that? Comments please!

[mesaone]

So the use case you brought up was if a Pro Tools 12 update ever renders it unusable on OSX 10.8.5, then those users who have "frozen" their system at that OS will have a problem.

In other cases, consider the popular sentiment that PT12 is just PT11.4 wearing a different cape - this will not mean anything to other users. I don't know of anyone who is running a co-install of 11+12, and I'm not sure why anyone would do such a thing in the first place.

[YYR123]

makes sense that they would do that, b/c other wise you have ongoing technical work being done on 2 different versions......

PT10 updates are stopped
PT11 will stop at the end of the year, from what I understand
PT12 is the active version.


This way they just have to dedicate the man hours to PT12 for updates and bug fixes......

PT11 the great bridge that is soon to be forgotten. Im sure Gary Greenfield (was that his name?, the former Board Chair) is shouting at his imac screen, why oh why......my baby..........

[nigelpry]

Originally Posted by mesaone

I don't know of anyone who is running a co-install of 11+12, and I'm not sure why anyone would do such a thing in the first place.

I DO have a coinstall of 11 and 12 (and 10 too though that's irrelevant to this topic) and I DO have a very good reason, though its an uncommon scenario I guess.

I have an 11HD license that I will not be upgrading to 12 (unless Avid pulls some major rabbits out of hats between now and the end of the year).

I also have a 12 vanilla licence via the four years of free upgrades deal that Avid ran for a while.

Although I'm still currently using 11HD at the monent for paying sessions, having 11 and 12 co-installed will eventually allow me to flip between versions as needed, particularly for the enhanced automation modes, VCAs, disc cache, extended metering etc of HD at the mix stage, while having access to 12 vanilla to take advantage of any bug fixes and 'cool new features'. They seem to coexist happily from my tests so far.

For example, when I'm back off my third trip away since beginning of June, I'll be checking out for myself reports that 12.1 fixes the long standing midinam bug, which, if true, begins to chip away at my remaining needs to retain 10 on my system.

If remaining issues regarding delay compensation, 9173 errors and the like get fixed in update releases of 12, I can see myself having a simple coexist workflow involving tracking in 12 vanilla and mixing in 11HD.

Who knows, if Avid continues the process of cascading HD features down into vanilla, I may eventually not need my 11HD license at all!

[mesaone]

That is a unique situation, and it makes sense that you did a coinstall. Although the inclusion or exclusion of 11 from the bundle license seems to not be of an immediate concern for your coinstall, since one of your licenses is explicitly 10HD+11HD.

[nigelpry]

Originally Posted by mesaone

That is a unique situation, and it makes sense that you did a coinstall. Although the inclusion or exclusion of 11 from the bundle license seems to not be of an immediate concern for your coinstall, since one of your licenses is explicitly 10HD+11HD.

Absolutely, you are correct, it is not an immediate concern for me. The thread was started principally to ensure people are aware that they will no longer get an 11 license in the bundle if they upgrade to 12 now.

[JFreak]

Originally Posted by YYR123

PT11 the great bridge that is soon to be forgotten.

The bridge was/is PT10. Makes sense to include that license for current purchases.

PT11 is/was the beginning of 64-bit application. PT12 is better and it makes sense to drop PT11.

[zedhed]

Originally Posted by JFreak

PT12 is better

LOL!

PT12 is PT11 with a Spiderman suit on.

[nigelpry]

PT12 IS PT11 (with minor tweaks). ;-)

[Craig F]

Originally Posted by nigelpry

PT12 IS PT11 (with minor tweaks). ;-)

most of the time the new model year car is the same as the old model year car with minor tweaks