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Re: Output Dither
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You are adding dither noise at -138dbfs which is masked by analog noise at -110dbfs. It doesn't make any sense at all.
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Re: Output Dither
To answer your original question:
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The only automatic dither is when using 'save copy as' and using a lower target bit depth than the original session or when using 'export audio' (or import audio) and using a lower target bit depth. Bounce to disk does not apply dither nor does recording into another track within your own session. You need to add it yourself if needed. The Protools guides recommends to _not_ use dither when going out the analogue output and into a 24bit recording system not because it dithers automatically (it does not), but because it is not needed. You are obviously still able to add it yourself if you want to or still need to. |
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Re: Output Dither
I remember discussions from a few years back about adding a true peak limiter after the dither, because if flirting with 0Dbfs, the dither noise could actually create overs. Is there a reason doing this would negate the dither?
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Re: Output Dither
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Another solution would be using a limiter such as Sonnox Limiter that has reconstruction meter and dither, but obviously that is not the limiter of choice for most.
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Re: Output Dither
Don't know about Fabfilter plugin but you have an easy solution for your dilemma. Use it while mixing and disable it when bouncing. Assuming it is a metering plugin you need to be using while mixing. Dithering plugin really needs to be last.
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Re: Output Dither
Okay, you lost me. If a limiter at the end of a chain is engaging, preventing overs, how would disabling it during bounce not allow those overs into the bounce?
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Re: Output Dither
Oh, it is a limiter. Well as said, dithering before limiter is futile, because limiter changes the signal.
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I didn't came up with this stuff by myself. I am following the suggestions of some great minds on GS, amongst them Bob Olhsson (who even chimed in here) and Paul Frindle (who knows a thing or two about this stuff) and want to check for myself if it makes any difference to me and my art (see? I said art, not work). So thank you all for not shoving your opinions down my throat instead of giving me a simple answer like Farhoof did... Think I forgot to mention that I was talking about the noise floor at -140dbFS. Just so you know: it's below the noise floor of any converter or analog processor. |
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Re: Output Dither
That is not my point that's a physically fact!
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I'm outta here I don't want to feed a troll.
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