Any TDM hardware users able to run 11 as CoreAudio/ASIO?

[necjamc]

Originally Posted by Eric Lambert

Look at their stock since buying Digidesign 9 years ago. See the trend? On the left side of the graph you could replace "price" with "interest in their customers."

Not being nit picky, but Avid bought Digidesign in 1995.

[Darryl Ramm]

Originally Posted by kelco83

Yes pardon me, the TB2 divides up pcie into 20 channels, of which, one device can use 2. Each channel is capable of transfer rates of 10 G/bit per second.

I am not sure where you get 20 anything from. Can you explain what you mean?

Nothing to do with Thunderbolt I can think of involves quantities of 20. Typical TB1 chipsets connect to 4 PCIe lanes and provide 1 or 2 TB output ports. The system designer can in principle hang as many of those chips off the system as you have PCIe lanes to connect the chips to. TB2 will change the details slightly but again nothing involves the number 20. Except the PCIe lane count on some obsolete Intel processors, which I am not sure would be relevant.

[kelco83]

Originally Posted by Darryl Ramm

I am not sure where you get 20 anything from. Can you explain what you mean?

Nothing to do with Thunderbolt I can think of involves quantities of 20. Typical TB1 chipsets connect to 4 PCIe lanes and provide 1 or 2 TB output ports. The system designer can in principle hang as many of those chips off the system as you have PCIe lanes to connect the chips to. TB2 will change the details slightly but again nothing involves the number 20. Except the PCIe lane count on some obsolete Intel processors, which I am not sure would be relevant.

I don't do anything with thunderbolt, so my research source may be suspect, but here's my information.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)
And is cited with http://developer.apple.com/library/m...011138-CH1-SW1
"
Data signal
Yes

Bitrate
10 Gbit/s per channel (20 total.)[4]

Protocol
4× PCI Express 2.0,[4] DisplayPort 1.1a[3]
"

[Darryl Ramm]

Originally Posted by kelco83

I don't do anything with thunderbolt, so my research source may be suspect, but here's my information.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)

"
Data signal
Yes

Bitrate
10 Gbit/s per channel (20 total.)[4]

Protocol
4× PCI Express 2.0,[4] DisplayPort 1.1a[3]
"

And what is your point exactly? All that is saying is that TB is 20 gigabit per TB cable (true for TB 1 and 2) not 20 channels total. Again there is noting in Thunderbolt that inherently split up the system into 20 channels. So is this the mistake--folks are reading that sloppily written wikipedia page as "20 total channels"?

[kelco83]

Originally Posted by Darryl Ramm

And what is your point exactly? All that is saying is that TB is 20 gigabit per TB cable (true for TB 1 and 2) not 20 channels total. Again there is noting in Thunderbolt that inherently split up the system into 20 channels. So is this the mistake--folks are reading that sloppily written wikipedia page as "20 total channels"?

My point is my understanding of thunderbolt comes from those documents, its not like I work with it. The cited apple developer article clears it up anyway.

I assumed it was 20 channels because in my hopeful mind there would be a way to get full bandwidth from a pcie slot in a cable. Yes, clearly I was dreaming. 40 gb/s is no where near 16 GB/s, so I assumed there was more left on the table. If I had done any type of math to check, I would have quickly found out 20 channels of 10gbs is actually faster than pci-e 16x lol.
Looks like pci-e cards will be a windows only thing in the future.

[Eric Lambert]

Originally Posted by necjamc

Not being nit picky, but Avid bought Digidesign in 1995.

Yes, you have it right. But Avid's presence stayed out of Digi's practices for several years. Digi felt like the same company. And then they didn't.

[B.J.]

I remember Digidesign said it was impossible to get sound out of the internal speakers from Pro Tools, because of the "technical" things in DAE. Suddenly it was not…

Regards
b.j.

Originally Posted by Bharath

Technical.

There are quite a few issues in the underlying code to support this mode (more so on Windows than on OSX). Couple of those issues needed a lot more development/testing effort and even after all that still end up with a (potentially unstable) 8 channel I/O.

Somebody above my pay grade made a (not so easy) decision to keep the focus on other things that went into PT 11.

[kelco83]

Originally Posted by B.J.

I remember Digidesign said it was impossible to get sound out of the internal speakers from Pro Tools, because of the "technical" things in DAE. Suddenly it was not…

Regards
b.j.

I'm sure it wasn't sudden for the engineers that worked to get it to be that way.

My best guess is it had to do with the authorization through hardware checks. Once that was abandoned for ilok it was possible to open up PT to these other audio devices. Just my guess though.

Also, heh, if that pissed you off, wait till the new mac pro comes out and your current one bites the dust. WTF do I do with these pci-e cards?! (this is what you do, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=pci-e+chassis+thunderbolt crisis averted.)

[John_Toolbox]

Originally Posted by kelco83

My point is my understanding of thunderbolt comes from those documents, its not like I work with it. The cited apple developer article clears it up anyway.

I assumed it was 20 channels because in my hopeful mind there would be a way to get full bandwidth from a pcie slot in a cable. Yes, clearly I was dreaming. 40 gb/s is no where near 16 GB/s, so I assumed there was more left on the table. If I had done any type of math to check, I would have quickly found out 20 channels of 10gbs is actually faster than pci-e 16x lol.
Looks like pci-e cards will be a windows only thing in the future.

Just a friendly reminder to make sure no one misinterprets this, you should make sure you are using the correct capitalization when referencing specs of Gb (Gigabits) and/or GB (GigaBytes). 1 Byte = 8 bits.