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Old 04-13-2016, 01:44 AM
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Still trucking along with no errors.

What version did you end up on, (or on now I should say)?? Thanks,,, Mike
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Old 04-13-2016, 03:57 AM
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I went through and deleted a bunch of applications that were unaudio related. Some imaging software, hard drive tools etc.
This should be emphasized!

The computer I use for Protools is totally dedicated to Protools.
It seems unfair, especially if you can only afford one computer, but it's one of the best way to avoid issues.
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Old 04-13-2016, 05:30 AM
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This should be emphasized!

The computer I use for Protools is totally dedicated to Protools.
It seems unfair, especially if you can only afford one computer, but it's one of the best way to avoid issues.
I vehemently disagree. I use my Mac Pro for video editing, music production, media management, and a number of other professional applications. Pro Tools is not even the only DAW I use even though it is the one I use most frequently for day to day operation. No other "professional" grade software is as finicky as Pro Tools in this regard. If software can't coexist on workstation hardware with other professional level applications, it has serious design flaws and isn't worthy of being considered a professional product.
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Old 04-13-2016, 06:35 AM
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I vehemently disagree. I use my Mac Pro for video editing, music production, media management, and a number of other professional applications. Pro Tools is not even the only DAW I use even though it is the one I use most frequently for day to day operation. No other "professional" grade software is as finicky as Pro Tools in this regard. If software can't coexist on workstation hardware with other professional level applications, it has serious design flaws and isn't worthy of being considered a professional product.
Exactly! Avid, for years now have been either very lazy/incapable/not willing to put resources into making the product work in modern environments even though there are a plethora of well known software techniques to fix many of the problems PT users seem to still face. As a general rule, it seems like it takes about 2 years (of end user beta testing) for a release to become stable enough for professional work => many use old versions of PT. While that is taking place a new generation of computers/OSes have already entered the market and Avid is late in supporting them (as an example, free Win 10 upgrades are expiring and Avid still does not support Win 10). My prediction is that recently released CC features will truly become usable in 2018 but you will have to use a Mac/PC that was build 2-3 years ago and you must only run PT on that rig preferably with no Internet connection because it may mess with PT
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Old 04-13-2016, 07:44 AM
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I vehemently disagree. I use my Mac Pro for video editing, music production, media management, and a number of other professional applications. Pro Tools is not even the only DAW I use even though it is the one I use most frequently for day to day operation. No other "professional" grade software is as finicky as Pro Tools in this regard. If software can't coexist on workstation hardware with other professional level applications, it has serious design flaws and isn't worthy of being considered a professional product.
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Couldn't agree more. My machine hosts FCP X, Premiere, Logic Pro X, Reaper, Studio One and Pro Tools. I use each one professionally for different reasons. All play together just fine, except Pro Tools.

As I said earlier in this thread, 12.5 is running ok on my system (as in, I'm not getting the errors detailed here), but Avid has to realize that in 2016, it's crazy to think that we should keep a single machine dedicated to Pro Tools, especially when projects can (and do) move between other programs.

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I vehemently disagree. I use my Mac Pro for video editing, music production, media management, and a number of other professional applications. Pro Tools is not even the only DAW I use even though it is the one I use most frequently for day to day operation. No other "professional" grade software is as finicky as Pro Tools in this regard. If software can't coexist on workstation hardware with other professional level applications, it has serious design flaws and isn't worthy of being considered a professional product.
The problem is not what applications or programs are installed, the problem is which of them have processes running in the background all the time. Part of configuring your machine is to make sure all these extra processes are shut down from startup (much easier on PC than OSX) and checking the Services and making sure extra background tasks such as the updater for installed programs are disabled or set to manual. Its terribly common for programs to install and set background functions to auto start with the machine.
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Old 04-13-2016, 09:10 AM
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The problem is not what applications or programs are installed, the problem is which of them have processes running in the background all the time. Part of configuring your machine is to make sure all these extra processes are shut down from startup (much easier on PC than OSX) and checking the Services and making sure extra background tasks such as the updater for installed programs are disabled or set to manual. Its terribly common for programs to install and set background functions to auto start with the machine.
Is that even possible on mac?
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Old 04-13-2016, 10:19 AM
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What version did you end up on, (or on now I should say)?? Thanks,,, Mike
12.5. Im going to work on it more today. No crashes or -9173 on a mix i did yesterday. Not sure what app was causing the glitching but it appears to be totally gone now. I did not install my ssl bundle . I saw someone else had issues with it . Heck i really don't use it anyways that much now that i have VMR. But it seems to be running very solid thus far.

I will keep testing. I have a record to tweak mixes on today so im going to give it a another good run.

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Old 04-13-2016, 10:35 AM
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I stand by my original statement. Why is it that Logic Pro X, Cubase, Nuendo, Studio One, and even Reaper are able make their software play nice with others? Pro Tools is supposed to be the market leader here. Avid charges a premium and doesn't hesitate to throw out the "industry standard" line in their marketing so they clearly have the same expectation. It's a cop out. In fact, didn't Avid advertise stability as a feature last fall in their PT webinar? Adobe users would throw a fit if Audition, Premiere, or any other creative cloud program came with such stipulations. How does a post house running DaVinci Resolve, Media Composer, or FCP alongside audio editing apps get by?

To be fair, many versions of Pro Tools have worked fine with other programs as well, and I believe Avid knows this is a requirement. There just seems to be a lack of attention to detail on some - especially the most recent 12.5 release.

For these reasons, I absolutely will not give Avid a pass for failing to live up to the standards set by the rest of the market as well as their own.
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Old 04-13-2016, 10:37 AM
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But if we're going to point to background processes, Avid's own Eucon is most often responsible for lockups here. Inexcusable.
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