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Old 03-14-2018, 06:52 PM
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Default Re: Is the i7 8700K processor good enough for PT Native?

OP shows to be using firewire not thunderbolt . I have also been reading good things about the Quantum and it is a thunderbolt interface.
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Old 03-14-2018, 11:35 PM
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OP shows to be using firewire not thunderbolt . I have also been reading good things about the Quantum and it is a thunderbolt interface.
regardless, universal audio thunderbolt drivers are outstanding..

it rates as one of the very top interfaces for driver performance and round trip latency (when not using console, and through the daw) on the low latency audio database at gearstluz.

I have no idea how someone could say they have ****ty TBolt drivers.

Firewire drivers are solid but very high latency.. the firewire one is pointless (imo) unless one uses console for the monitoring
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Old 03-16-2018, 01:48 AM
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OP here, yes I currently have FireWire but will upgrade to TB soon no doubt. I actually bought a Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Ultra Gaming mobo yesterday, but I just realized it doesn't have a TB connector AND... TB3 is a completely different shape from TB2 anyway. I don't know how to get past this. Is there an approved list of TB3 adapters or are we on our own for now or do I have to find a mobo that has the TB3 connector built-in?
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Old 03-16-2018, 05:21 AM
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OP here, yes I currently have FireWire but will upgrade to TB soon no doubt. I actually bought a Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Ultra Gaming mobo yesterday, but I just realized it doesn't have a TB connector AND... TB3 is a completely different shape from TB2 anyway. I don't know how to get past this. Is there an approved list of TB3 adapters or are we on our own for now or do I have to find a mobo that has the TB3 connector built-in?
yes UA even tell you which one..

the startech TB3 to TB2 adapter.. then just use your normal TB 2 cables.

Apollos work best with on board TB3.. UA claims they don't like the AIC cards but many have success with them tool. However gigabyte sells boards with the built in port ready to go, and they just work.. can you return the board? there is no other way to get thunderbolt on that board now if it doesn't at least have a header for an AIC, in other words, it has to have thunderbolt built in to the board at some place.
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Old 03-16-2018, 06:38 AM
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Yes I could probably return the mobo, but I'm not sure which one I should buy instead.

UA says, "A Windows 10 PC computer featuring built-in Thunderbolt 3 via USB-C is required." The Z370 Aorus board "supports" TB3, but doesn't seem to have a built-in TB3 port (maybe the USB 3.1 C port is the TB3 port, but I can't find that explicitly stated anywhere in the Gigabyte specs or manuals).

I might have to buy a separate TB3 expansion card that plugs into the PCIe x4 card slot on the mobo. However, that is not "built-in," so I'm not sure if it would work. UA certainly wouldn't offer me any support if I'm using an unapproved device...

Is anyone here using TB3 with a Z370?
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I did`t find a Gygabyte Mobo serie 300 with a Unboard Thunderbolat but it got the connection for the addon board

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard...IDGE-rev-20#ov

You Need the 370 serie to support 8th Gen Intel CPU (Some 270 may support but you have to check first)
The last time I check the INTEL i5 8600k was the best BANG for your Buck but personaly I got the i7 8700K with 6 Core and 12 threads . I don`t mind the cost because I keep my RIG a LOOOOONNNNGG Time
I know there`s other option with other brands like ASROCK, MSI ... maybe there`s someone with a REAL Working studio RIG that can give of some spech,
We are talking about a Computer that run 8 to 16 hours a day on Heavy multi threads Load no gamer flashing led box

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Old 03-16-2018, 01:15 PM
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Default Re: Is the i7 8700K processor good enough for PT Native?

the top of the range gaming board 8 or something with 370 chipset has it. There is only one and it's the most expensive.

Try the AIC, in all likelihood it will work just fine :)
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Default Re: Is the i7 8700K processor good enough for PT Native?

I've tracked and mixed at 96k with 64 buffer since I got my late-2013 MBP fully loaded, and that is some four years ago. No problems whatsoever, using my HDN thunderbolt box.

I won't interfere with the host hardware discussion, but regarding the question: "Why 96k?" I have something to say.

- first of all, the reason for higher sampling rates has traditionally been avoiding the imperfections of crappy AD converters so when the flukes are somewhere 36kHz (and not around 18kHz) it feels more open without a doubt.

- another thing is some plugins operate better on double sampling rate. that is not to say those plugins could not be made sound better on lower sampling rates, but the vendor has just cut a corner here and there so having a 96k session is a workaround that works even if the plugin vendor doesn't care to do their job.

- and lastly, the current generation of AD conversion sounds way better than 15*years ago so most of us have gear that makes my first point null and void.

==> and to sum it up, unless your gear is over 15(ish) years old, the reasonable thing to do would be tracking at 48k and then creating a 96k mixing session while we wait for plugin vendors to fix their stuff.

Ugh, this was longer post than I anticipated...
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well obviously you are talking about film music at 48K? Why track at 48k if the medium is a stereo music mix to sell online?

If one's final medium is 44k and they just must work at a higher SR, i recommend 88.2K instead of 96.

I personally don't see the up side unless one is recording real instruments and maybe truly 100% analog synths.

There is zero reason to record old digital synths at higher than 44K other than wasting cpu and hdd space..

Just imo of course

a mac pro trashcan handling 64 buffer at 96k through HDN? No jokes? Surely not with effects too? How many tracks are you arming at once may i ask? That's actually quite promising to read. perhaps the integrated HDN driver is simply more efficient with PT than core audio.
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I am using an i7 8700k on a Rog Maximus X Formula using texas instrument firewire card for an MBOX Pro 3. Compared to my i75960x its a noticeable downgrade, but it was time for me to build a new PC and will put up with the loss, there are some CPU spikes also and I have not been able to track them down, even with a blank session.

If you can go for an i9, the extra threads make a massive difference in Pro Tools even though PT cannot yet use the extra threads efficiently, just bring up the usage graph and you will see what I mean.

Currently selling my i75960x and my gigabyte x99 mobo on ebay, did consider building a new rig with it just for music production but I think I will weather the storm with this i7 8700k and see if things improve down the line...
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