OK, so here's a serious question for Avid regarding "openness"...

[blewis]

Originally Posted by AvidEditor

The Rocktron MIDI Mate in Bank Mode makes the switch from rig to rig instantaneously. Tap the button and the new rig is there at that moment - there's no lag and no level drop out between rigs. Do all Behringer users have this issue?

It's there. I think the 11R guys quoted it at ~50ms lag between switching rigs. That's inherent to the 11R box itself. It's enough to bother some people and for others to ignore it. I've heard both.

[derker]

Originally Posted by AvidEditor

The Rocktron MIDI Mate in Bank Mode makes the switch from rig to rig instantaneously. Tap the button and the new rig is there at that moment - there's no lag and no level drop out between rigs. Do all Behringer users have this issue?

I had the issue with a Rocktron MIDI Xchange pedal as well, so I dont think its inherent to my Behringer. I have yet to try it with my buddy's GCP.

Looks like blewis has already responded with the figures.

[Fezzler]

Really great to see Avid is still committed to 11R.

My wishes are same as everyone elses.

1) Stand alone editor
2) Much more reasonable upgrade to ProTools 10 or even a "lite" version that supports 11R and perhaps targeted for guitar players.

I am one of the first 11R owners. But those two issues are also having me considering selling mine and walking away as I don't use it as much as a should.

[Bill Denton]

Not to derail the thread, but we have one guy here who says there is a delay when switching while another one says there isn't.

Back in my radio days we used to play (gasp!) vinyl records on (double gasp!) turntables. While most of these turntables were labeled "instant start" they in fact weren't; we had to cue our records 1/4 turn back from the first "sound" in order to avoid the "wow" while the turntable came up to speed. Which meant we had to push/flip the "start" switch on the turntable a fraction of a second before we wanted the sound to start.

If the point I'm making goes over your head you are far to stupid to be a competent guitarist, so you should sell your entire guitar rig and buy a set of drums...

[AvidEditor]

Originally Posted by derker

I had the issue with a Rocktron MIDI Xchange pedal as well, so I dont think its inherent to my Behringer. I have yet to try it with my buddy's GCP.

Looks like blewis has already responded with the figures.

50 ms is 50 thousandths of a second, .05 seconds. Is this the lag you're talking about when you wrote:

"It takes an extremely conscientious effort to footswitch at exactly the right moment before the downbeat in order to minimize the audible effect of the delay in switching."

"I sometimes resort to just stopping the playing a few counts before the next measure just so i can get the switching out of the way so I can come in on beat."

50 ms is 1/20th of a second. 1/20th of a second is causing you to stop playing for a few counts? - I assume you mean beats. We're definitely not talking about the same thing because I switch rigs in songs all the time and there's no way there's noticeable lag.

[blewis]

May I humbly suggest we take this delay of switching topic to this thread where it was discussed over a year ago:

http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?p=1688111

Sorry TDD and Max...

[TieDyedDevil]

Thanks, blewis.

[AvidEditor]

Originally Posted by blewis

May I humbly suggest we take this delay of switching topic to this thread where it was discussed over a year ago:

http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?p=1688111

Sorry TDD and Max...

Obviously this is not a derailment to a "delay of switching" topic.

This is specifically a hardware/feature question regarding whether or not the Behringer product has the capability of properly switching the Eleven Rack; the answer is beneficial to both Avid and users.

[TieDyedDevil]

The controller sends a MIDI signal to the Eleven Rack. The Eleven Rack neither knows nor cares about the nature of the originating controller. When the Eleven Rack receives the signal, it switches.

Chris has confirmed (and others have independently measured) a short delay - I recall a 60ms figure - in changing patches. This is typical of a MFX processor, although the exact delay varies.

The high-end Eventides have much longer dropouts during patch changes. The low-end Zoom processors have much shorter dropouts, but... um, they're low-end Zoom processors.

The controller itself may introduce a delay between switch activation and sending the MIDI patch-change message. If this happens, the delays add up and give the impression of a longer patch-switch time. On the other hand, there's nothing that the Eleven Rack programmers can do about that without violating the laws of physical causality.

If the short patch change time is troublesome (and it never has been for me), there are workarounds. First and foremost, send CCs to change your sound: there's no dropout caused by sending FX on/off messages. Second, anticipate (as has already been suggested). Third, consider rearranging your music slightly to mask the dropout; a short "breath" can help a lot of music.

`Nuf said. Please, let's not resort to insults to get our points across...

[Vercingetorix]

Originally Posted by Bill Denton

If the point I'm making goes over your head you are far to stupid to be a competent guitarist, so you should sell your entire guitar rig and buy a set of drums...

Dude, take a chill pill. The last thing you should be doing is insulting drummers.

Q. What's black and blue and found in a ditch?
A. A guitarist who's told one too many drummer jokes.

Ummm, back on topic how about ... updating the firmware to do profiling!!! Sorry I couldn't resist - it'll never happen - but it would get people talking in a major way. "You may say I'm a dreamer....."