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Re: HDX vs Native
Quite so - but the jazz artists who come into my studio aren't divas. Tiny variations in timing are everything to them in some circumstances. The vibe between a drummer and a pianist during a piano solo can be messed up by just a few too many milliseconds of latency.
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Re: HDX vs Native
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HDX has base RTL of 1.7ms @ 48kHz. HDX has an RTL of 4.5ms @ 48kHz if you monitor through a single DSP plugin followed by nine native plugins with a native buffer of 64. HDX has an RTL of 7.2ms @ 48kHz if you monitor through a single DSP plugin followed by nine native plugins with a native buffer of 128. But obviously, one of the prime benefits of HDX can still have an RTL of 1.7ms even if the native buffer is set to 1024.
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Re: HDX vs Native
Yea, so unless I participate in a blind test where I can pick a difference between 2ms and 3ms rtl I still think the difference is irrelevant and as long as you stay safely below 10ms there is no REAL problem for anyone
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Re: HDX vs Native
That's really interesting to me, because with my native system I find anything above 64 to be completely annoying. 128 is noticeably phasey, and at 256 we're talking distinct echo. Do most people find 256 usable?
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Re: HDX vs Native
That of course depends on the hardware you're using. I've always been using Digidesign/Avid interfaces (and now lately at home an Apogee Symphony mk2) and with these the problems start with 512 buffer.
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Re: HDX vs Native
Avid Omni here, and even with no plugins whatsoever I can't tolerably work above 64. I'm curious to see if I can take advantage of the new low latency options to get to zero latency while maintaining all routing options. On my to-do list...
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Re: HDX vs Native
That sounds weird, the Omni is an HD interface after all. Then again, omni specs don't mention roundtrip latency which is weird too
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Re: HDX vs Native
Interesting thing is many musicians using Shure UR wireless radios are okay on stage if for example monitor mixes are done with Yamaha LS9 and delivered using Shure PSM1000 IEM.. total latency of this combination is 0.7ms + 2.5ms + 0.7ms = 3.9ms and nobody complains because it isn't a computer.
But with computers we suddenly need to have sub-millisecond monitoring.
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Re: HDX vs Native
Hmm, that is weird. I think the tolerance for latency is somewhat of an individual thing, too. I'm old enough to remember doing everything through analog boards and multi-track recorders, long before the word 'latency' entered the lexicon, so my tolerance is very low. Much to the consternation of my children, I constantly rant about the delay in cell phone conversations that drives me crazy.
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Re: HDX vs Native
So hdx is better is the jist?? Thanks.
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