Come On 20.

[LDS]

Originally Posted by JFreak

Haha.

Seriously, last year really must be given a pass because of the HDX voice upgrade fiasco. Still, 2019 saw 4 releases.

2018 saw 5 releases and 2017 saw 7 releases. 2016 maybe five, not sure about that. 2015 same thing, maybe five releases.

That is the history since PT12.

Compare to 10 years ago when 2010 saw two releases (PT8.1 and PT9) or three if you count the under the counter PT8.5 that was delivered with HDN just before PT9 launch. Or zero feature releases of 2009, only PT8.0.x bugfix releases which do not really count. Or one release of 2008 (PT8.0). Or one release of 2007 (PT7.4). In 2006 there was two releases (PT7.2 and PT7.3) but PT7.3 is practically PT7.2 with Universal Binaries due to Apple's change from PPC to Intel. In 2005 again only one release (PT7.0) and everything before that is so prehistoric nobody really cares.

So the last five years have seen 5 releases on average while 15 years ago releases were fewer. I'm sure you don't want to go back to PT6 era when Pro Tools was transitioning from OS9 to OSX. At that time there were A LOT of releases for compatibility.

I think you are barking up the wrong tree there, Janne. It really isn't about number of releases a year as much as it is about quality releases. I would hazard a guess that the Pro Tools 8 release alone had more new features and bug fixes than all of the 2018, 2019 and 2020 releases will have put together. All Avid really have left is fiasco. They have so little in terms of quality to offer in new releases that they are resorting to announcing new features prematurely... regardless of whether or not they can actually pull it off in time.

Avid currently are only just scraping beyond selling the same version of Pro Tools over and over again, just with a new label on the box each time. It's pretty pathetic.

[toolz]

Well said LSD.

The fact remains.. the quality of our payments remains the same.

Roll back one year ..was happy to re-new as HDX was getting a voice update..

Still waiting, and in my mind I've paid for this feature.

Thing is, I'm self employed in Music recording now for 20 years, and with the Virus outbreak, all my work is gone!

Currently at the point that my update fee is a luxury I just can't afford, this is the time.. I need something back from you Avid.

[amagras]

Originally Posted by LDS

Avid currently are only just scraping beyond selling the same version of Pro Tools over and over again, just with a new label on the box each time. It's pretty pathetic.

This ^^

[marsian]

Originally Posted by LDS

I think you are barking up the wrong tree there, Janne. It really isn't about number of releases a year as much as it is about quality releases. I would hazard a guess that the Pro Tools 8 release alone had more new features and bug fixes than all of the 2018, 2019 and 2020 releases will have put together. All Avid really have left is fiasco. They have so little in terms of quality to offer in new releases that they are resorting to announcing new features prematurely... regardless of whether or not they can actually pull it off in time.

Avid currently are only just scraping beyond selling the same version of Pro Tools over and over again, just with a new label on the box each time. It's pretty pathetic.

I can absolutely sign this opinion, unfortunately.


Cheers
Maik

[cmbourget]

I would like to remind you that the big novelty of PT 2020 will be to close a shameless gap on other DAWs in terms of folders. Just that! You can add bug fixes if you like, but actually functions, that's it. I think Avid will do the job very well, whereas Cubase, for example, has all sorts of annoying little bugs, because Steinberg often goes too fast and uses users as testers (without admitting it). The example of ARA2 is obvious. The first version was uncompatible with the "fades" already present. So complicated that I didn't use it. The files are also imperfect in my opinion, because they leave a horizontal space too large at the head of the file, even open. Steinberg doesn't always understand space saving. I'd have 100 examples. So everything is not more beautiful in the neighbor. But the fact remains that PT is too late on the road opened by its competitors. Its business model, contrary to this point, adds to the frustration. For my part, what holds me back with PT is the price of the HD version. The jump from vanilla is too big.

[lesbrunn]

Originally Posted by LDS

I think you are barking up the wrong tree there, Janne. It really isn't about number of releases a year as much as it is about quality releases. I would hazard a guess that the Pro Tools 8 release alone had more new features and bug fixes than all of the 2018, 2019 and 2020 releases will have put together. All Avid really have left is fiasco. They have so little in terms of quality to offer in new releases that they are resorting to announcing new features prematurely... regardless of whether or not they can actually pull it off in time.

Avid currently are only just scraping beyond selling the same version of Pro Tools over and over again, just with a new label on the box each time. It's pretty pathetic.

+1. Pathetic is the word. Do they not check what the competition is doing? And the rate at which they are doing it? And their prices? etc, etc...

Even if they don't know what to do, they have a loyal user base that constantly asks for meaningful modern features, but they are consistently ignored. 'New' (basic for other DAWs) features are introduced a decade late. And on and on...

[lesbrunn]

Originally Posted by cmbourget

I would like to remind you that the big novelty of PT 2020 will be to close a shameless gap on other DAWs in terms of folders. Just that! You can add bug fixes if you like, but actually functions, that's it. I think Avid will do the job very well, whereas Cubase, for example, has all sorts of annoying little bugs, because Steinberg often goes too fast and uses users as testers (without admitting it). The example of ARA2 is obvious. The first version was uncompatible with the "fades" already present. So complicated that I didn't use it. The files are also imperfect in my opinion, because they leave a horizontal space too large at the head of the file, even open. Steinberg doesn't always understand space saving. I'd have 100 examples. So everything is not more beautiful in the neighbor. But the fact remains that PT is too late on the road opened by its competitors. Its business model, contrary to this point, adds to the frustration. For my part, what holds me back with PT is the price of the HD version. The jump from vanilla is too big.

OK. Touche bro. Point well made. The grass isn't always greener. But it is, most of the time.

[JFreak]

Originally Posted by cmbourget

For my part, what holds me back with PT is the price of the HD version. The jump from vanilla is too big.

This made my day

Not too long ago the entry price to HD was 10 grand because it was tied to hardware. And whatever you have today beats that (8 analog i/o plus 8 digital i/o).

[Akiz]

Originally Posted by cmbourget

The jump from vanilla is too big.

Tell me about it. We sold some old PT perpetual licenses, that were not in use anymore and decided to keep only one PT license and upgrade it to Ultimate. (I was totally against but my partner convinced me to do it and be done with it.)
Why? Just for one reason, compatibility with some clients and some colleagues who send us full sessions. This was the last £ we spent on PT though. Doesn't worth it from now on.

Studio One 4 is the DAW we decided to lean on, because it has a brighter future than PT for sure. It serves our needs way better than PT, especially for songwriting. The integration with Softube's Console 1 is brilliant and the workflow is just fantastic. Studio One has the best ARA2 integration for Melodyne and Vocalign, that makes vocal production just a breeze. I'm tired of PT's Audiosuite for these tasks...it's soooo 1999...Wait for Avid to support ARA is like watching grass growing and paying for that too...just ridiculous.

The current situation with COVID-19 has huge impact in the music business. Everything is on hold. The income from that services just disappeared for the time being and no one knows when things will get back to "normal" and if that ever happens, how many of us will be still on their feet?

That's why the subscription model is the worst POS for creative individuals IMO...perpetual is the only way to go, period!
If you stop paying due to the special circumstances we all live now, you're ****ed....but not only you...

This will affect companies like Avid which is in dept and with big financial issues for many years in a row. It seems like with this business model they have "dug their own grave"...you can't predict a pandemy, right? COVID is a b!tch... Maybe they should lower the fees if they want to stay afloat...otherwise the inevitable is approaching.

Cheers!

[JFreak]

Originally Posted by Akiz

you can't predict a pandemy, right?

Yes you can. Writing was on the wall 15 years ago when China and other asian countries chose to continue with their open air meat markets where they sell bats and dogs etc... SARS-CoV-1 on 2003 should have taught a lesson, but no. Maybe this time? If not we will have SARS-CoV-3 in 10-15 years, mark my words.