Avid Pro Audio Community

Avid Pro Audio Community

How to Join & Post  •  Community Terms of Use  •  Help Us Help You

Knowledge Base Search  •  Community Search  •  Learn & Support


Avid Home Page

Go Back   Avid Pro Audio Community > Pro Tools Hardware > Eleven Rack

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-21-2010, 02:36 AM
C0ldFart C0ldFart is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Norway
Posts: 7
Default Eleven Rack Main Outputs

Hi all.
I'm having problem with my live setup.

I want to use a solid state poweramp with a 4x12 cab as my monitoring on stage, fed by the "Output to AMP 2 jack without any cab simulation.
And I want to use the main outputs direct into PA with the full rig sound.

The problem.
When I enter preferences and set the "Output 2 (Right)" to "Rig Out No Cab" the main outputs removes the cab simulation on Main outputs.

Is this by design or am I doing something wrong?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-21-2010, 03:17 AM
koolaidman koolaidman is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 80
Default Re: Eleven Rack Main Outputs

Thats how it works, sorry
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-21-2010, 06:04 AM
therealmf therealmf is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 190
Default Re: Eleven Rack Main Outputs

Wrong!

The "Output to Amp" 1 and 2 are totally independent from the main outs (XLR).
If you set one "out to amp" to a setting that doesn't contain the cab simulation (e.g. "amp output" or "rig output no cab") it does NOT influence the signal on the main outs. What does happen, however is that when you set Output to amp 1 to deliver "Rig out no cab" then automatically also Output to amp 2 is set to that setting, because the 11R is "assuming" you want to record/amplify in stereo. So there is a connection/dependency between the two "Output to amp" jacks, but there is NO connection to the main out jacks (XLR).
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-21-2010, 08:09 AM
adamqlw adamqlw is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 493
Default Re: Eleven Rack Main Outputs

Sorry therealmf, but that is incorrect. It's been confirmed by the devs here on the board that the 11R does not have sufficient processing power to run rig out + no cab through the output to amp 1 and 2 AND rig out (with cab) through the XLR. That would entail running the post-cab effects twice, once on the no cab setting, and once on the with cab setting. The 11R automatically forces the XLR to rig out no cab if this option is selected. At all other times, the XLR is independent of output to amp 1 and 2.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-21-2010, 10:05 AM
Chris Townsend Chris Townsend is offline
Avid
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Daly City, CA
Posts: 792
Default Re: Eleven Rack Main Outputs

Hi Coldfart,

One option worth considering is to set the Output To Amp user option to "Power Amp" (I'm not sure if that's the exact text). That will make your Output To Amp have no cab sound, but your main outs will have the cab. The downside is that only the Main Outs will have post amp effects, but that's not necessarily different than using a real tube amp without an FX loop.

I would also imagine that putting the delay and reverb post amp and having those FX just come from the PA could sound really cool. You'd hear the direct sound from your amp and delay and reverb sound from the PA.
__________________
Chris Townsend
Guitar Products Architect
Digidesign, A Division of Avid, Inc.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-21-2010, 10:17 AM
Jerry S Jerry S is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Bronx, NY
Posts: 138
Default Re: Eleven Rack Main Outputs

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Townsend View Post
Hi Coldfart,

One option worth considering is to set the Output To Amp user option to "Power Amp" (I'm not sure if that's the exact text). That will make your Output To Amp have no cab sound, but your main outs will have the cab. The downside is that only the Main Outs will have post amp effects, but that's not necessarily different than using a real tube amp without an FX loop.

I would also imagine that putting the delay and reverb post amp and having those FX just come from the PA could sound really cool. You'd hear the direct sound from your amp and delay and reverb sound from the PA.
Another option would be to simply mic the cabinet instead of going XLR out of the 11R. This way you hear everything exactly how it's coming out of the PA.

One of the benefits of using the 11R is to avoid having to lug a cabinet and amp but since you are doing that anyway, why stop there.

Have you considered a powered monitor setup instead of a power amp and cab? This would give you your exact sound from the 11R right in yo face!

Good luck getting it to work. It looks like you have a few options that will work.
__________________
PRS CE22, Parker Dragonfly - Dutkiewicz, Martin 000CXE
Eleven Rack, Axiom 61, Ground Control Pro
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-27-2010, 12:38 PM
C0ldFart C0ldFart is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Norway
Posts: 7
Default Re: Eleven Rack Main Outputs

Thanks for info.
I have now put away my Marshall cabinets and found a powered monitor setup that has a killer sound (in my ears )

Havent tried it on the PA yet, but the last time I tried direct into PA it wasn't as good as my newly powered monitor setup thats for sure.

Is there any tips to get the same sound out of the PA speakers?
Do I have to EQ the PA or do something other magic?

-=Ketil=-
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-27-2010, 01:11 PM
Jerry S Jerry S is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Bronx, NY
Posts: 138
Default Re: Eleven Rack Main Outputs

Quote:
Originally Posted by C0ldFart View Post
Thanks for info.
I have now put away my Marshall cabinets and found a powered monitor setup that has a killer sound (in my ears )

Havent tried it on the PA yet, but the last time I tried direct into PA it wasn't as good as my newly powered monitor setup thats for sure.

Is there any tips to get the same sound out of the PA speakers?
Do I have to EQ the PA or do something other magic?

-=Ketil=-
What powered monitor setup did you go with?
__________________
PRS CE22, Parker Dragonfly - Dutkiewicz, Martin 000CXE
Eleven Rack, Axiom 61, Ground Control Pro
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-27-2010, 01:44 PM
C0ldFart C0ldFart is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Norway
Posts: 7
Default Re: Eleven Rack Main Outputs

some really really old monitors called NOVANEX BLACK LINE
12" speaker and a small tweeter - it's a really heavy unit sooo
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-07-2010, 02:09 AM
C0ldFart C0ldFart is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Norway
Posts: 7
Default Re: Eleven Rack Main Outputs

We had a band rehearsal at Friday evening, and the 11R performed excellent on my monitor setup and direct into PA.

I'm very happy right now, and exited to try this thing LIVE .
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Eleven Rack Outputs Andrew Nast Eleven Rack 2 08-23-2013 03:32 PM
Eleven rack outputs not working voma79 Eleven Rack 7 06-17-2013 08:46 PM
Eleven Rack As Main Interface h2os Eleven Rack 4 10-17-2012 04:20 PM
Eleven Rack Main Outs to PA amp and Powered Stage Monitors AvidEditor Eleven Rack 17 01-29-2012 12:27 PM
Eleven Rack outputs jvstrat Eleven Rack 4 05-28-2011 08:49 AM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:52 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited. Forum Hosted By: URLJet.com